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Ashford Borough Council PCN on Private Land
DIR By: D D
Date: November 19, 2023, 1:34 am
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Hello,
I have been parking outside this old derelict building for a few
months now mainly more in front of it without any issues, there
is an old private land parking notice sign (further down from
where I was parked when this pcn was issued) but no council
signage to be seen anywhere. This was one a night club that shut
down before the covid pandemic.
To my knowledge this part where I was parked looks like a
loading bay/area of the old building and not the highway.
I returned to my car after being there all day at 5:25pm to a
pcn on the window, all the other vehicles where there all day
also but nothing on their vehicles.
Here’s a link to the location to clearly see it in street view a
loading bridge can been seen that links to this area.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/eZCV9cVw9B8Ajjbz8?g_st=ic
Personally i think the warden is trying his luck here, what’s
your opinion on this PCN and recommendation on the challenge?
Many thanks
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Re: Ashford Borough Council PCN on Private Land
DIR By: D D
Date: November 19, 2023, 1:38 am
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I checked the other vehicles for pcn’s but nothing was issued.
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Re: Ashford Borough Council PCN on Private Land
DIR By: D D
Date: November 19, 2023, 1:43 am
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I even checked there the next day when I was passing at 5:30pm
to see if they’re starting to continuously pcn vehicles but
nothing.
There is the train station a short walk away so a lot of people
use this spot for skipping the £6.20+ a day fare at the near by
ABCouncil parking lots.
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Re: Ashford Borough Council PCN on Private Land
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: November 19, 2023, 2:11 am
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HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/rwDxkRjbZ4fe12CN8
Presumably in a CPZ, but I can't find any map on Ashford's
website.
If in a CPZ, please give us the operating times for it (should
be on a sign where you entered the zone.
SYLs govern pavements, verges etc., but it looks as if you may
have 'legitimate expectation.
Please post the back of the PCN (mistakes often in the 'small
print') and any council photos.
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EDIT
HTML https://tro.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/TRO/Ashford/AS23.pdf
and
HTML https://tro.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/TRO/Ashford/2020-CONSOLIDATION-ORDER-SEALED.pdf
would seem to indicate the SYL is 8am-6pm.
If it is not in a CPZ there should be an upright sign.
#Post#: 10578--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ashford Borough Council PCN on Private Land
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 19, 2023, 3:23 am
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They are actually double-yellow lines, so apply 24x7, and the
cars seem to be parked on the driveway leading into the building
and blocking the driveway. DYLs cover the whole road including
footways and verges not just the carriageway. A driveway
crossing a footway is also included. It seems to me that the OP
is bang-to-rights, but could submit reps on the basis of
legitimate expectation.
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Re: Ashford Borough Council PCN on Private Land
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: November 19, 2023, 3:52 am
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[member=12]Incandescent[/member]
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> They are actually double-yellow lines,
>
--- End Quote ---
May I respectfully disagree?
See
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=972.0;attach=3362;image
and
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/rwDxkRjbZ4fe12CN8
both show SYL.
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Re: Ashford Borough Council PCN on Private Land
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 19, 2023, 4:51 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> [member=12]Incandescent[/member]
> [quote]They are actually double-yellow lines,
>
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May I respectfully disagree?
See
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=972.0;attach=3362;image
and
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/rwDxkRjbZ4fe12CN8
both show SYL.
[/quote]
Sorry, yes, you're right. However, further along I did see what
looked like a faded second line.
And here is the restrictions sign.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/3ZbnDMofkBoCYFQG6
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Re: Ashford Borough Council PCN on Private Land
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 19, 2023, 5:03 am
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Which is correct but unfortunately for the OP somewhat academic
as Apr 2023 GSV shows a no waiting traffic sign (Mon-Fri 8-6pm)
slightly beyond where there were parked.
The OP didn't look for this because they thought they'd found an
oasis of free parking. But sadly not.
Paying and chalking up to experience are probably the optimum
outcomes.
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Re: Ashford Borough Council PCN on Private Land
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 19, 2023, 5:20 am
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I suspect the OP, like so many before him, was not aware that
yellow lines cover the whole road from its centre line to the
property line and include verges and footways, and also
driveways that pass over them, not just the carriageway.
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Re: Ashford Borough Council PCN on Private Land
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: November 19, 2023, 5:36 am
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That leaves 'legitimate expectation'.
According to
HTML https://www.patrol-uk.info/authority_details/?pcn=KF&type=parking
Ashford should re-offer the discount if challenge is made
(received by Council?) within the discount period.
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> If you make your informal challenge within 14 days of
receiving the penalty you should still be able to pay the 50%
discounted penalty charge if your challenge is refused.
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Back of PCN may confirm.
If you decide to challenge, please to post your draft challenge
here for commewnt before submitting.
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