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#Post#: 107767--------------------------------------------------
Newham, code 52m - prohibition on motor vehicles, Ham Park Road
/ Devenay Road / Margery Road E15
By: ndp26 Date: January 28, 2026, 1:56 pm
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Hi all
Kudos to all involved in providing this forum - it looks like a
great help to people! I wish we had found it sooner, but hope
you might still be able to help us in some way.
We are not from London (or the UK), so didn't do any digging /
research before submitting our "formal representations". In
considering whether to appeal our formal representations having
been rejected, we came across this forum and thought we would
reach out. We initially want to know whether we have indeed shot
ourselves in the foot
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/<br
/>by challenging the PCNs we received, or if there is still scop
e
to contest.
We have 5 PCNs for alleged contraventions in entering Ham Park
Road via Devenay Road / Margery Road on 16 Dec 2025, 2 Jan 2026,
3 Jan 2026, 5 Jan 2026 and 12 Jan 2026. These total a hefty sum,
so naturally wanted to explore our ability to contest them.
The link to a GDrive folder with the first PCN front page, text
from our representations and rejection of the first PCN is here
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-yDrgPbCj0HavoK0uGtVa4uWAVGjyxF1?usp=drive_link.
The text from our representations provides the context, but the
summary of our predicament is:
- immediately after purchasing a car, we purchased a residents
permit and thought we were then able to enter both ends of Ham
Park Road and park as permit holders.
- after the first time driving through the access point (16 Dec
2025), we had "driver's remorse" so I called Newham Council to
confirm. The representative said we needed a second "Access"
permit to drive down Ham Park Road, and then we would be ok to
enter Ham Park from both ends. So we made the purchase on 17 Dec
2025.
- On 7 Jan 2026, we received our first PCN and challenged it.
Once we received the second one, we stopped entering Ham Park
Road from either end.
I've only uploaded the correspondence for the first PCN, but can
upload the others if there might be scope to contest.
The Google Street View location links for the signage at each
end of Ham Park Road are:
- Devenay Road - here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/9imNBQ5RftTmJPpr8
- apologies, it is
quite hard to see the signage through the zoom. It appears the
Google cars don't drive that far down Ham Park Road any longer.
- Margery Road - here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/ntRwcs4AVTRTSVtn9.
If you have any questions or if further details/info would be
helpful, please let me know.
Thanks in advance for your consideration and any assistance you
can provide!
#Post#: 108573--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m - prohibition on motor vehicles, Ham Park R
oad / Devenay Road / Margery Road E15
By: ndp26 Date: February 3, 2026, 12:44 pm
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Hi all
Just wanted to check in to see if anyone was able to provide
some assistance / guidance on this one.
We wouldn't have used those entrances/exits to Ham Park Road if
we had known there was a specific permit (and not one of the two
we already had), and certainly wouldn't have kept using them had
the Newham Council representative told us we were fine after
getting the second permit!
Please let me know if any additional information is required -
as noted, I can upload all of pages of each PCN and rejection if
required (it will be a fair few pages though, so thought the
first page of one would be a starting point for initial guidance
around potentially challenging at the tribunal).
Thank you!
#Post#: 108600--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m - prohibition on motor vehicles, Ham Park R
oad / Devenay Road / Margery Road E15
By: fraser.mitchell Date: February 3, 2026, 3:57 pm
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Please post one of the PCNs, plus your reps and their refusal.
Much depends on whether you are prepared to stand your ground,
and take them to London Tribunals, because if you take them
there, the full PCN penalties will be in play. Th only other
option is to cough-up, because you are only allowed a single
representation to the council, for a postal PCN, and you have
submitted one and it has been refised.
Looking at the GSV views, I see that the sign below the Flying
Motorbike signs permits permit holders WHP01. So when you bought
the "residents permit" shortly after moving in, it clearly was
not a code WHP01. HOwever you then checked more: -
[quote]- after the first time driving through the access point
(16 Dec 2025), we had "driver's remorse" so I called Newham
Council to confirm. The representative said we needed a second
"Access" permit to drive down Ham Park Road, and then we would
be ok to enter Ham Park from both ends. So we made the purchase
on 17 Dec 2025.
- On 7 Jan 2026, we received our first PCN and challenged it.
Once we received the second one, we stopped entering Ham Park
Road from either end.
[/quote]
So you bought the second permit on 17th December. Can you please
list all the PCNs with contravention date and PCN date, please.
As, (according to the council), you had the correct permit on
17th December, you should not have received any PCN with a
contravention date that is after 17th December.
#Post#: 108614--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m - prohibition on motor vehicles, Ham Park R
oad / Devenay Road / Margery Road E15
By: ndp26 Date: February 3, 2026, 5:38 pm
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Hi Incandescent
Thanks for coming back to me - appreciate it!
I'd linked a Google Drive folder with the first PCN, and the
reps and refusal - sorry, I used an embedded link which might
have hidden it. Link is:
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-yDrgPbCj0HavoK0uGtVa4uWAVGjyxF1?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-yDrgPbCj0HavoK0uGtVa4uWAVGjyxF1?usp=drive_link
Is the first page of the first PCN ok, or do you need all pages?
Re the signage, is there anything in the WHP01 permit
requirement not being clear to the driver of a vehicle? Might be
a stretch, but when one is driving, they don't have time to
research the permit requirements - or would the Council just say
the driver would be expected to pull over and safely find out
the requirements before passing through?
The list of PCNs with contravention date and PCN date are as
follows:
- PCN Date: 7 January 2026, contravention 16 December 2025.
- PCN Date: 9 January 2026, contravention 2 January 2026.
- PCN Date: 9 January 2026, contravention 3 January 2026.
- PCN Date: 12 January 2026, contravention 5 January 2026.
- PCN Date: 20 January 2026, contravention 12 January 2026.
I didn't think to note down the date that I received each PCN in
the post, but I would have challenged the subsequent PCNs on the
day they were received (due to the surprise / frustration). The
confirmation of submission emails I received were dated 10
January, 13 January, 13 January, 16 January and 21 January.
On the call where the Council said we had the right permit (arvo
of 16 Dec or morning of 17 Dec), the representative also said
that there were no fines showing at that time of the call - but
the 16 December contravention was at 8.25am, so should have been
picked up by the camera. Is there anything in that, or would the
Council just say there is a delay between the camera recording a
contravention and it being logged as a contravention in their
system?
Any guidance on approach is much appreciated. One thought I had
on 'strategy' is to pay the first one at the discounted amount
given (I assume) I'd have low (or lower) prospects of success on
challenging that one, but then appeal the subsequent four.
#Post#: 108624--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m - prohibition on motor vehicles, Ham Park R
oad / Devenay Road / Margery Road E15
By: fraser.mitchell Date: February 3, 2026, 7:13 pm
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There seems to be something seriously wrong here. You say you
bought the correct permit following advice from the council on
17th December. So from that date you should have been permitted
to pass the restriction signs, yet you have received four PCNs
for contravention dates well past the 17th December: -
- PCN Date: 9 January 2026, contravention 2 January 2026.
- PCN Date: 9 January 2026, contravention 3 January 2026.
- PCN Date: 12 January 2026, contravention 5 January 2026.
- PCN Date: 20 January 2026, contravention 12 January 2026.
Reading their letter of rejection to the first PCN, they mention
that the special permit to pass the signs is only available to
Blue Badge Holders. You haven't mentioned this before, so please
tell us more.
The last PCN was for a contravention on 12th January. Are you
still passing the signs, or have you now stopped. Reason to ask
is that you say you bought the correct permit on 17th December,
so no PCNs should have been served after that date. I assume
these PCNs are all for passing the same restriction sign as for
the first one.
I think you need to submit representations asking why four PCNs
have been served in January for the same contravention as PCN1
served in mid-December, but after advice from the council you
bought the correct permit permitting you to pass the signs on
17th December
#Post#: 108633--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m - prohibition on motor vehicles, Ham Park R
oad / Devenay Road / Margery Road E15
By: ndp26 Date: February 3, 2026, 9:01 pm
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That's right, all the same contravention - entering/exiting Ham
Park Road (two relate to passing the signs at Margery Road, and
the other three relates to passing the signs at Devenay Road).
The main issue, I believe, is that the information the Council
provided us over the phone was incorrect and we relied on this
to continue passing the signs on Ham Park Road.
We purchased what we were told by the Council representative was
the correct permit (an Access Permit, alongside the Resident
Permit we already held). However, given the further PCNs, it
appears that the advice from the Council representative was
incorrect and we actually needed a third permit (which we're not
entitled to given we are not Blue Badge Holders).
It appears this is what the WHP01 relates to - but the signage
doesn't make this clear, as we held one permit at the time of
the first contravention (but not the right one, as the Council
representative informed us) and then two permits at the time of
the following four contraventions (neither of which are the
right ones, as we now know) .
There is information on the Newham Council website:
HTML https://www.newham.gov.uk/parking-permits/apply-access-permit/4,<br
/>but we weren't aware of this until receiving the rejection
letter. The Access Permit we were told to purchase was the "
Healthy School Streets Access permit" (which we do need to
access Ham Park Road during certain hours due a primary school
on this road). The separate Blue Badge permit (WHP01) was not
mentioned during our call with the Council, so just purchased
the permit we were told we needed. I don't recall seeing
anything during the permit purchase process, and the permit
confirmation, doesn't mention anything around the separate
permit for the West Ham Park's "People Friendly Streets".
I can confirm we are not still passing the signs. We thought the
first PCN was sent it error, but after we received the second
and third PCNs (which I assume was on 13 Jan, or later in the
day on 12 Jan), we didn't want to risk receiving further PCNs.
#Post#: 108664--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m - prohibition on motor vehicles, Ham Park R
oad / Devenay Road / Margery Road E15
By: fraser.mitchell Date: February 4, 2026, 4:50 am
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OK, so you now need to submit representations based on what you
have told us here, namely that you were misinformed by council
staff on what permit to purchase. You were not made aware of the
BB-only permit that is the only one permitted to pass the signs.
Emphasise that you are newly arrived residents, so not at all
familiar with the local permit arrangements, therefore relied
totally on what the council told you.
#Post#: 108750--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m - prohibition on motor vehicles, Ham Park R
oad / Devenay Road / Margery Road E15
By: ndp26 Date: February 4, 2026, 3:13 pm
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Thanks Incandescent. Given my formal representations (text
linked in the GDrive folder) have been rejected, I assume the
only way to make those representations is by going to the
tribunal - or is there another way?
Do you have any guidance on our prospects at the tribunal? We
appreciate that this route presents 'double or nothing' stakes,
but hope that the Council provided incorrect guidance would be
sufficient for the Tribunal member to recommend the Council
waive the PCNs.
With respect to the first PCN, are we better to pay this now and
challenge the other four at the tribunal on that basis? Or would
you suggest we challenge all 5 (i.e., are there arguments we can
make to have the first one waived too)?
#Post#: 108762--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m - prohibition on motor vehicles, Ham Park R
oad / Devenay Road / Margery Road E15
By: fraser.mitchell Date: February 4, 2026, 4:54 pm
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These things are always difficult, as serious money is involved
if you go to LT about 4 PCNs. Can you please post their respons
to the other four PCNs, and your reps, as they may have shot
themselves in the foot. These four PCNs are a totally
disproportionate penalty bearing in mind you took steps to
obtain the correct permit and were told incorrectly what to buy.
I think you might also get a result by contacting your local
councillor as this is a maladministration issue.
#Post#: 108811--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m - prohibition on motor vehicles, Ham Park R
oad / Devenay Road / Margery Road E15
By: ndp26 Date: February 5, 2026, 8:30 am
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Indeed! I'd imagine it is a case of all or nothing for PCNs 2-5
as well, as the arguments for those 4 PCNs are all the same.
Apologies - I've been meaning to post up the full PCNs and
responses since your first response. I've uploaded all pages of
the 5 PCNs and the 4 responses I received (apologies, they came
all together in one envelope, and I forgot to mention we've only
received responses to the first 4 PCNs - but I suspect the
response to the 5th one will be the same).
Re the representations, I can't work out how to find a record of
the submission - but I emailed the text for the representations
to myself when uploading them (for fear the form would lose what
I typed). There are two screenshots of this text in the GDrive
folder - we made the same representation for PCNs 2-5.
For ease, the link to the GDrive folder is:
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-yDrgPbCj0HavoK0uGtVa4uWAVGjyxF1?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-yDrgPbCj0HavoK0uGtVa4uWAVGjyxF1?usp=drive_link
Appreciate that (and, more broadly, your time and responses),
Incandescent - we agree they're disproportionate! Hopefully the
Council and/or the LT would agree. We never intended to do the
wrong thing - in fact we tried to do the right thing - and have
ended up with a number of penalties. Having perused some of the
other posts, I can see we are just one case of many!
With respect to contacting our local councillor, do you have any
guidance on how to go about that (given, I assume, PCN
complaints aren't the top of their agendas)? Just thought I'd
ask given we're new to the city/country, otherwise I'll jump on
Google.
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