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KINGSTON, 24 NOT PARKED WITHIN BAY, MILNER ROAD
By: jeremytb Date: January 28, 2026, 9:41 am
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My wife parked the car late one night and thought she was in the
space. It was dark and the markings are not very clear. It was
the last free space in the street, Milner Road in
Kingston-upon-Thames. There is a tree that would damage your car
if you parked right up againsat the pavement. I smashed the
brake light on the same tree a few months ago as I tried to get
as close as possible to the kerb. This is the last parking space
that people use generally due to this.
We had a PCN issued at 0956 on the 19th January. My wife met
another parking attendant passing when she saw the PCN. He said
that he would not have issued a ticket and that the person had
just started. I have sent through the photos the parking
attendant submitted. The one of the rear view of the car appears
to show the tyre in line with the back white line. There is no
line around the whole space so it is difficult to work out. The
one of the front view cannot be said to show anything really.
My wife did an online appeal that day and recived a letter 2
days later, so probably sent within hours of minutes of her
appeal, refusing to change the decision, "Not parked correctly
within the markings of the bay or space". They make their money
from parking fines so we did not expect much really.
The PCN makes reference to the Traffic Management Act 2004 but I
got lost trying to find the relevant section in that
legislation. I just wanted to see how we were supposed to know
the law. Unless it is obvious.
The response letter does not seem to make clear the process to
appeal, to whom, nor indeed the timeframe wiothin which to do
it. Again if this should be obvious please let me know.
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Re: KINGSTON, 24 NOT PARKED WITHIN BAY, MILNER ROAD
By: John U.K. Date: January 28, 2026, 9:51 am
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Welcome to FTLA.
For meaningful advice please to have a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/.
and post up here copies (not transcripts) of
both sides of the PCN,
your challenge,
their response
and
any council photos/video. .
Only redact yr name & address from documents - leave all else
in.
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Re: KINGSTON, 24 NOT PARKED WITHIN BAY, MILNER ROAD
By: jeremytb Date: January 28, 2026, 9:59 am
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Hi
I've read the notes and thought I'd done all the right things. I
posted the photos using IMGPILE but cannot see them now.
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Re: KINGSTON, 24 NOT PARKED WITHIN BAY, MILNER ROAD
By: John U.K. Date: January 28, 2026, 10:17 am
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It would hep if, failing putting the images themselves into a
posy, you could label each link with a label of whither it
leads.
This should be the PCN posted directly here:
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height=866]
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height=866]
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Re: KINGSTON, 24 NOT PARKED WITHIN BAY, MILNER ROAD
By: John U.K. Date: January 28, 2026, 10:38 am
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Your challenge:
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height=487]
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Their rejection:
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Re: KINGSTON, 24 NOT PARKED WITHIN BAY, MILNER ROAD
By: John U.K. Date: January 28, 2026, 10:42 am
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This would appear to be their key photograph:
[img width=650
height=487]
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Re: KINGSTON, 24 NOT PARKED WITHIN BAY, MILNER ROAD
By: fraser.mitchell Date: January 28, 2026, 2:30 pm
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Your informal challenge against the PCN served to your car has
received the usual Fob-Off letter.
It's very important you, and indeed all residents in the London
area, understand that all London councils game the system
ruthlessly to maximise the cash income from PCNs. So virtually
ALL informal reps are rejected, Why so ? Because the council
know that >95% of people then cough-up to get the discount, not
being "au fait" with the minutiae of the regulations and
thinking they'll be risking huge sums of money if they take the
matter further. Needless to say this is not true. The maximum
financial exposure is the PCN penalty, and has been since the
original 1991 legislation, (under a Tory government BTW). It is
a very lucrative source of cash for them even if most people pay
the discounted amount. Have a read here:-
HTML https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/kingston_upon_thames_pcn_revenue
Can you please post a GSV link to the exact location. The photos
show the bay markings are considerably degraded and worn, such
as to make enforcement a mere money-grubbing exercise. Councils
have a duty under Regulation 18 of The Local Authorities’
Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996
to place and maintain adequate signage announcing the
restriction within the Traffic Order to motorists.
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
Here it appears they have failed in their duty to maintain.
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Re: KINGSTON, 24 NOT PARKED WITHIN BAY, MILNER ROAD
By: jeremytb Date: January 31, 2026, 10:04 am
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Re: KINGSTON, 24 NOT PARKED WITHIN BAY, MILNER ROAD
By: jeremytb Date: January 31, 2026, 10:08 am
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The space, which is the one by the tree and behind the dark van.
measures 72 inches across, so six feet. I have just walked up to
the space and when I stood there I could see five vehicles who
were at least partly outside the space. That's in a very short
distance.
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