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UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) 21Jan26
DIR By: LeedsStation
Date: January 27, 2026, 4:05 am
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EDIT:
Images showing location of signs. None viewable from the
vehicle. Signs at entrance, slightly confusing signs at pick up
point:
Sign 1
HTML https://ibb.co/hx9D69R4
Sign 2
HTML https://ibb.co/G3xnvnBb
Sign 3
HTML https://ibb.co/yFCVzKqF
Hello,
I have received a NTK (PoFA) issued on private land (Leeds City
Station, LS1 4DY) on 26 January 2026.
The charge date is 16 January 2026.
Front of Letter
HTML https://ibb.co/HTL5hmSC
Back of Letter
HTML https://ibb.co/whfRvLxZ
Photos on UKCPS website:
Photo 1
HTML https://ibb.co/JFp3xcZF
Photo 2
HTML https://ibb.co/zWB6VNyB
Photo 3
HTML https://ibb.co/KcCnxdmG
Please could you advise how best for me to respond as I am aware
that this land is now relevant for the purposes of PoFA since 26
December 2025.
Points to potentially consider:
- It appears based on the evidence that there is only 20 seconds
between Photos 1 and 3, used to suggest that the vehicle was
parked.
- The vehicle subject to the notice is being overtaken at the
time of Photo 1 and is prevented from continuing (this may have
caused a stall?).
- There are pedestrians in the road in front of the vehicle
subject to the notice in the second picture (following the
potential stall?).
- It is unclear in the second picture whether the taxi in front
of the vehicle subject to the notice has pulled out from the
road to the right and has caused the vehicle subject to the
notice to wait for the road to clear.
- The taxi in Photo 3 is clearly blocking the carriageway
preventing further movement of vehicles behind it. It is
blocking the road as it waits to turn into the pick up area. The
vehicle subject to the notice may not move forward and block the
road to its left.
- It is not clear from the photos whether the vehicle subject to
the notice picked up any passengers from the station. If it had
done so, it appears there may be some defence as in the UK, you
can usually stop briefly on double yellow lines to pick up or
drop off passengers but only if there are no additional signs or
kerb markings (like yellow chevrons) prohibiting it and one must
not cause an obstruction or wait for a long time. Are the signs
in this area sufficiently clear to clarify which areas are
subject to which rules?
Grateful for any help you can give.
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Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) 21Jan26
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: January 27, 2026, 4:44 am
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As a general rule, this forum applies potential defences to the
facts, we don't try and think of potential facts that might suit
a defence. You mention a potential stall, but it isn't clear
whether the vehicle did actually stall, or whether you simply
think this would make a more convincing defence (as an aside,
it's not immediately clear how a vehicle overtaking might cause
a stationary car to stall). You should also consider that the
still images are potentially taken from a video, the full
version of which may be at UKCPS' disposal. Consider what this
may or may not show.
As this may proceed to court action, any argument you advance
must be truthful.
--- Quote from: LeedsStation link ---
>
> It appears based on the evidence that there is only 20 seconds
between Photos 1 and 3, used to suggest that the vehicle was
parked.
>
--- End Quote ---
This is, I would suggest, one of the strongest points in your
favour. The argument would be that a stop of 20 seconds is
insufficient for the driver to read and properly consider any
communicated terms.
--- Quote from: LeedsStation link ---
>
> Are the signs in this area sufficiently clear to clarify which
areas are subject to which rules?
--- End Quote ---
You should find this out by getting some pictures. This is
likely to also be a fruitful avenue of defence. There's a fair
chance the signage also does not communicate a valid contractual
offer.
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Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) 21Jan26
DIR By: LeedsStation
Date: January 27, 2026, 5:16 am
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Apologies and appreciate the reply.
To clarify -
The vehicle had not stalled. It was mentioned above to really
consider what is a reasonable time to be stationary in a high
traffic area. It is irrelevant.
The overtaking was mentioned as if the car subject to the notice
had continued then this may have caused a collision (generally
when cars are overtaking drivers allow them to pass though they
are not obliged to).
The vehicle had picked up passengers walking up the road from
the station (this has not been captured in the evidence provided
so far). Is this a reasonable use of the yellow lines? Is no
stopping red lines?
The taxi was blocking the road and preventing the exiting of the
road as it was turning into the pick up point which was totally
full. I mention this as what is a reasonable distance for a
vehicle to wait away from a preceding vehicle until the roadway
is clear? The driver did eventually pull up behind the taxi and
waited in the roadway for the carriageway to clear before being
able to exit the area. Is there much of a difference between
waiting where photographed and waiting within 8 feet of the
taxi? The reason for not moving the vehicle out of the area
remains the same.
If you google image "parking signage leeds station" then the
signage can be viewed. It is unclear where the signage is and to
which areas it applies (it may be presumed to apply only to the
pick up / taxi point).
Appreciate response must be truthful - the OP was worded as such
as many of the posts on similar forums are cagey in identifying
the driver etc and looking to explore what is likely to be
reasonably considered in this case.
£60 for a 20 second stop seems obviously unreasonable.
Is there any advice please on the above and whether I go through
the appeals process? MSE seems to suggest ignoring all
correspondence until you receive a claim.
Again, appreciate the help and apologies again for the evasive
initial post.
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Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) 21Jan26
DIR By: Dave65
Date: January 27, 2026, 5:52 am
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By engaging with them you would be showing being reasonable.
otherwise if it goes to a court case they could say you had been
unreasonable.
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Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) 21Jan26
DIR By: LeedsStation
Date: January 27, 2026, 8:54 am
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I have added pictures of signage locations etc for clarity (see
original post as edited).
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Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) 21Jan26
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: January 27, 2026, 9:10 am
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It would be helpful if you are able to acquire your own photos
so that you are not reliant on Google Street View in any
subsequent court defence (if one is needed). In particular,
photos around the area in which the vehicle stopped, as the
Google Street View images from that area are from 2024 before
UKCPS were operating there.
However, from what we have seen, my suspicion below was correct.
--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> There's a fair chance the signage also does not communicate a
valid contractual offer.
>
--- End Quote ---
What consideration is being offered by a sign that says "NO
STOPPING" and "£100 charge if you stop" - they aren't
communicating an offer to park on certain terms. They're
prohibiting stopping and seeking to levy an unlawful penalty for
doing so.
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Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) 21Jan26
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: January 27, 2026, 9:18 am
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It can also be argued that the signage is in conflict with the
road markings - namely the double yellow lines which in this
instance would allow a brief stop. No stopping requires double
red lines and clear way signage to be compliant.
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