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#Post#: 124914--------------------------------------------------
Re: 10 PCNs from PPS in Tatton Crescent E5 9AG, Keeper not
driver, Debt collectors involved
DIR By: davi
Date: July 16, 2026, 8:27 am
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I sent the email above and got their reply:
"We refer you to the provisions made within PoFA 2012 when
transferring liability. To assist, PoFA states that the
registered keeper must provide the drivers name and address to
the parking operator, and pass the Notice of Keeper to the
driver.
Accordingly, in order to transfer liability, please confirm the
full name and UK serviceable address of the driver.
In addition, and in order for our Client to satisfy themselves
as to the validity of the details provided, we kindly request
the following information:
Proof of valid insurance confirming the nominated driver was
insured to drive the vehicle at the time.
A copy of the nominated driver’s driving licence.
Kind Regards"
What should I reply? (as I wrote above, my granddaughter is not
currently living in the UK, but she might come back, and I don't
want to put her in trouble).
Thanks
#Post#: 124916--------------------------------------------------
Re: 10 PCNs from PPS in Tatton Crescent E5 9AG, Keeper not
driver, Debt collectors involved
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: July 16, 2026, 8:43 am
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Your main two options are:
- Provide the name and service address for your daughter as the
driver
- Do not provide them
If you choose option #1:
- Do not provide copies of her licence or insurance. These are
not required by PoFA, whether or not their client is 'satisfied'
is none of your concern.
- They will either stop pursuing you, or carry on. If they carry
on with proceedings against you, you would seem to have a clear
defence.
- They could in theory try to pursue your daughter. They would
seem to have no hope of succeeding with this whilst she is
resident abroad. If she did return to the UK, they would need to
trace her.
If you choose option #2:
- The number of charges involved, and the fact Gladstones are
acting, means this would be likely to go all the way to a court
hearing.
- They claim their notices comply with PoFA, you claim the
contrary. You could file a defence and Witness Statement on this
point, and hope the judge agrees that the notices are
non-compliant. You would either win or lose, and this would be
the end to the matter.
#Post#: 124943--------------------------------------------------
Re: 10 PCNs from PPS in Tatton Crescent E5 9AG, Keeper not
driver, Debt collectors involved
DIR By: davi
Date: July 16, 2026, 2:25 pm
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Thanks for making it clear. I'll definitely use option 1.
However, I don't understand what they mean by the **"UK
serviceable address of the driver."** At the time the parking
ticket was issued, she was staying at my son's address in the
UK. Should I provide my son's address? If so, what should my son
do if any letters are sent there?
Or should I instead provide her current overseas address where
she is now living? Would they try to trace or contact her there?
Thanks
#Post#: 124957--------------------------------------------------
Re: 10 PCNs from PPS in Tatton Crescent E5 9AG, Keeper not
driver, Debt collectors involved
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: July 16, 2026, 6:42 pm
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If you're providing her address, it should be the foreign
address at which she lives. Their mention of a "UK" address is
sneaky, there is no requirement under PoFA for the provision of
a UK address:
--- Quote ---
> “current address for service” means—
> (a)in the case of the keeper, an address which is either—
> (i) an address at which documents relating to civil
proceedings could properly be served on the person concerned
under Civil Procedure Rules; or
> (ii) the keeper's registered address (if there is one); or
>
> (b)in the case of the driver, an address at which the driver
for the time being resides or can conveniently be contacted;
--- End Quote ---
I'd be minded to keep it simple, along the lines of:
[indent]Dear Sirs,
The name of the driver is [NAME], their current address for
service is [FOREIGN ADDRESS].
I will not be providing you or your client with a copy of the
driver's driving licence, nor insurance details. As you will be
aware, Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act does not
require the provision of any such documents to transfer
liability.
As your client, the alleged creditor, now knows the name and a
current address for service for the driver, they no longer have
the right to recover any unpaid parking charges from me as the
keeper of the vehicle (if such a right existed in the first
place, which is denied).
I look forward to your confirmation that your client will no
longer be pursuing me in respect of these charges.
Yours[/indent]
#Post#: 124969--------------------------------------------------
Re: 10 PCNs from PPS in Tatton Crescent E5 9AG, Keeper not
driver, Debt collectors involved
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: July 17, 2026, 4:07 am
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I will lay odds that they will still pursue this even when
driver details are provided.
Given that there are 10 PCNs they may feel compelled to 'roll
the dice' on the basis of risk / reward ratio.
They may claim that the details were not provided inside the 28
day period and therefore keeper liability occurred automatically
at that point.
I know this is speculation but we all (the regulars) know how
these people operate.
My point is that the supplying of an overseas address for
service may not make this 'go away' in the manner which the OP
is hoping for.
However, this can still easily be defended since the NtK is
clearly not complaint with the requirements of POFA.
It will be interesting to see how the operator reacts to the
provision of the drivers details.
#Post#: 124971--------------------------------------------------
Re: 10 PCNs from PPS in Tatton Crescent E5 9AG, Keeper not
driver, Debt collectors involved
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: July 17, 2026, 4:33 am
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--- Quote from: InterCity125 link ---
>
> My point is that the supplying of an overseas address for
service may not make this 'go away' in the manner which the OP
is hoping for.
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree - they'll potentially still go after the keeper, but his
defence will be much stronger if he can demonstrate that the
operator knows the name and address for service for the driver.
--- Quote from: InterCity125 link ---
>
> They may claim that the details were not provided inside the
28 day period and therefore keeper liability occurred
automatically at that point.
--- End Quote ---
They might, although that would be a clear misinterpretation of
PoFA.
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