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Re: Query re NIP - Calibration Certificate and Photos re
speeding ?
DIR By: Grittery
Date: February 4, 2026, 7:28 am
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Ok thanks again all for additional info, though surely if 'some
forces do' include speed info with the photos then it has not
been omitted due to data protection legislation, which should be
the same across England?
But I've returned PIP form by post, so they now know, in
writing, that I am the driver, although had already confirmed
that online!
Await the next step in process .. sigh
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Re: Query re NIP - Calibration Certificate and Photos re
speeding ?
DIR By: FuzzyDuck
Date: February 4, 2026, 7:36 am
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--- Quote from: FuzzyDuck link ---
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> The reason they give you the photos is to help you identify
the driver
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Not true, the photos are only provided to show that the
specified vehicle was at the specified location at the specified
date/time.
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Re: Query re NIP - Calibration Certificate and Photos re
speeding ?
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: February 4, 2026, 8:10 am
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> ... though surely if 'some forces do' include speed info with
the photos then it has not been omitted due to data protection
legislation, which should be the same across England?
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Only the NIP and the s172 request for driver's details are
required by law. Neither of those require the speed/limit to be
provided. Anything else (including eh speed/limit) is provided
as a courtesy only. None of it is required.
Different forces take different views on what they provide.
As an aside, I seriously doubt that providing that information
to the Registered Keeper (who may not necessarily be the driver)
would breach data protection legislation. The police usually do
provide it and they never know who was driving when they issue a
NIP and s172 request.
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Re: Query re NIP - Calibration Certificate and Photos re
speeding ?
DIR By: sample-tripod-clip
Date: February 4, 2026, 8:14 am
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--- Quote from: Grittery link ---
> surely if 'some forces do' include speed info with the photos
then it has not been omitted due to data protection legislation,
which should be the same across England?
>
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Each police force is its own organisation with its own
leadership team, information management team and legal advice.
With this comes different interpretations, risk appetites and
priorities. Very little in policing is consistent! Some
information management specialists will say ‘we don’t know if
putting the speed in could be a breach so it’s best not to put
it’ others will say ‘we have nothing that says putting the speed
in is a breach. If we learn it is then we’ll revisit it’.
There are numerous commercial systems available to police to
detect speeding and process the evidence. Even where several
forces use the same solutions they will be implemented
differently and teams dealing with the post offence casework
will follow different procedures.
What I’m saying is that one force may have truly considered what
the bare minimum they should provide to comply with the traffic
law while minimising demand on their ticket unit from
‘customers’ asking for photos and at the same time not providing
personal data up front. Another force may not have even
considered this or their risk appetite is different.
It could also be technical, one force’s solution crops the speed
automatically or doesn’t put it in a mail merge, another force’s
might not etc.
In any case it doesn’t matter. They don’t even have to provide
the photos at this stage to you let alone the speed. If one
force gives this info it doesn’t mean a force who does not is
issuing invalid process. Even if the forces giving this info are
breaking some kind of data protection law, it wouldn’t
invalidate any speeding fines unless there was some argument for
exclusion of evidence that could be made based on the force
being so incompetent that no trust can be placed in their
processes.
If you were that curious you could put an FoIA request in to ask
for emails, meeting notes and copies of policy & procedures to
understand the rationale for the decisions made. However I
suspect you may not be interested by time you’ve finished
reading this reply 🤣
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