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Redbridge School Streets, Newbury Park Primary, Perryman's Farm
Road
DIR By: alanthehyundaiman
Date: January 18, 2026, 5:53 am
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Hello, I was originally on FTLA in 2024 and previously Pepipoo
in 2012 as "alanthefocusman" but unfortunately despite spending
hours trying to login I have had to re join as a new member. The
site would not recognise me or send me new password links that
would work.
My Problem: on 05/01/2026 I turned right and entered Perrymans
Farm Road from Horns Road at 14.55pm On my way back I realised I
had entered a Schools Restricted Street the hours of enforcement
are 8am-9.15am and 2.30-4.00pm. When I returned home I checked
Newbury Park Primary Schools website and found on their website
two entries that stated that the term started on January 6th. I
screenshot them as I didn't want to risk them being taken down
once the 6th had passed and not having the proof if I did
receive a PCN. As you can see I have received a PCN and as I
suspected the pages I screenshot have been taken down.
I wish to contest the PCN citing the screenshots as my get out
clause. Even though Redbridge's website states the school was
open on 5th January. When I passed the school it was quiet and
looked closed to me and I wonder if there was an extension to
the school holiday and it didn't in fact open until 6th January
but the cameras were not adjusted to allow for this.
Hopefully I have managed to upload a copy of my PCN and
supporting evidence the school was closed on the link below.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/3J1sCNNs/Screenshot-2026-01-17-15-49-11-302-com-miui-gallery-1.jpg
HTML https://postimages.org/
#Post#: 106368--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge School Streets, Newbury Park Primary, Perryman's
Farm Road
DIR By: catnip
Date: January 18, 2026, 6:26 am
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If you've been on the site before then you should know the rules
:), please let us see the PCN and the associated council photos
so that further advice can be provided.
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Re: Redbridge School Streets, Newbury Park Primary, Perryman's
Farm Road
DIR By: alanthehyundaiman
Date: January 18, 2026, 10:25 am
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PCN Link.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/Y0sSh35d/PCN.jpg
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/sgdM736t/Screenshot-2026-01-05-22-23-17-375-com-android-chrome.jpg
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Re: Redbridge School Streets, Newbury Park Primary, Perryman's
Farm Road
DIR By: catnip
Date: January 18, 2026, 1:34 pm
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The PCN is too small so can't be read and clicking on it just
brings up a load of adverts :(
Please also confirm location with a link to Google Street View.
#Post#: 106751--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbridge School Streets, Newbury Park Primary, Perryman's
Farm Road
DIR By: alanthehyundaiman
Date: January 20, 2026, 8:06 pm
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the Street View Ref is
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/MiGSzNKGj8SehwNQ9?g_st=aw
I will try again with the PCN
Thanks
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Re: Redbridge School Streets, Newbury Park Primary, Perryman's
Farm Road
DIR By: alanthehyundaiman
Date: January 20, 2026, 8:48 pm
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HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/ZgBOTUe_xl.jpg
I hope this is successful as a copy of my PCN
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Re: Redbridge School Streets, Newbury Park Primary, Perryman's
Farm Road
DIR By: alanthehyundaiman
Date: January 20, 2026, 9:22 pm
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HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/uC6qoGd_xl.jpg
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/y9d0VWH_xl.jpg
Thanks for your help.
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Re: Redbridge School Streets, Newbury Park Primary, Perryman's
Farm Road
DIR By: Bustagate
Date: February 9, 2026, 9:12 am
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The whole basis of these School Streets signs as applying only
during school terms is flawed. The traffic orders generally
apply throughout the year: if possible, check the one which
applies to the specific site. As section 12.4.1 of Chapter 7 of
the Traffic Signs Manual
HTML https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c78f8c7e5274a0ebfec719c/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-07.pdf<br
/>explains:
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> 12.4 Time of year
> 12.4.1. Where the restriction or prohibition applies for only
part of the year, the appropriate dates are added to the sign.
These can be expressed as specific dates, or months only, to
accord with the traffic regulation order. Expressions such as
“Term time” (to reflect school periods) are not permitted, but
where a named day such as “Good Friday” is consistent throughout
the country and familiar to road users, this may be used.
References to bank or public holidays are permitted by the
Regulations.
>
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The issue is that, in essence, "term time" is not a well-defined
legal term, so the lawyers aren't able to include it in the
traffic order.
Local authorities pretend that the order applies only during
term time. They may issue PCNs only in term time. But in so
doing they are failing in their duty to implement the traffic
order properly. As you make your bed, so must you lie. Taking
account of irrelevant considerations (such as whether the school
is in session) opens them to challenges of acting ultra vires,
which renders their actions void.
DfT advice about setting up school streets
HTML https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/school-streets-how-to-set-up-and-manage-a-scheme/school-streets-how-to-set-up-and-manage-a-scheme#implementing-school-streets<br
/>states
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> As School Streets usually operate only in term-time, flap-type
signs are recommended that can be folded to show a blank face
during school holidays. Arrangements will need to be made for
carrying this out, including access and keyholding.
>
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I believe that Cornwall does this. I don't know what their
traffic orders say, but it is a recognised practice to have
folding signs for restrictions which apply at irregular times,
e.g. road closures around RAF Brize Norton when repatriating
dead servicemen and women. Whenever the sign is displayed, it
applies.
In my view, the DfT are remiss in failing to explain the legal
impediments to using "term time only" on signs, why folding
signs should be used instead and what the traffic order should
say to allow the signs to be displayed only during term times. I
shouldn't be surprised if Hackney, the local authority they
quote as a pioneer, doesn't get it right, but for political
reasons they don't want to draw attention to this.
For school streets, even with folding signs there's still the
issue of the times that they apply. These are written in text
which is so small that it's unreadable until you are so close
that you're probably committed and would cause an accident if
you stopped and tried to turn round. There is a Scottish version
of the sign which has flashing lights when the restrictions are
in operation. You don't need to know whether it's gone 09:15 or
not. That seems a much better approach.
If you go down this line of argument, the problem which you will
face is that the council will reject it. Adjudicators will find
it a challenge: they have half an hour for each case and a
knotty legal argument is the last thing they want. If they were
to find in your favour, the local authority might not take it
lying down but could seek a review, initially from a more senior
adjudicator, but them by judicial review. Although this wouldn't
cost you anything (the case is between the council and the
tribunal), the very fact that such a case could arise makes
adjudicators loth to allow them to arise.
Having said that, if you put in a frontal challenge to school
streets and offer the adjudicator an off-ramp of some reason
which applies to the particular circumstances, the adjudcator
may allow your appeal to satisfy the requirements of justice
without exposing the tribunal to the risks of judicial review.
In your case, the inadequacy of advance signage warning of the
school streets restriction could be such an off-ramp. All that
is provided is a small blue sign declaring "School Streets
Ahead" without even saying where it is. A proper advance notice
sign would show that a right turn has a restriction and what
that restriction is.
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