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Royal Greenwich PCN - Halstow Rd SE10 / Humber Rd SE10
Contravention
DIR By: alexB
Date: January 17, 2026, 3:46 pm
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Hi Guys,
I received this PCN for Failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain types of vehicle
(motor vehicles). I did not see the contravention sign with the
restricted times.
It was dark, I am new to driving in this area. I could not see
it from the side i was driving from as the sign is only on one
side and there was no previous warning of this when approaching
to turn into the road.
Based on this, is there a chance I can appeal this PCN or should
i just pay PCN at the discounted rate?
Location:
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Many Thanks!
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#Post#: 106326--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Greenwich PCN - Halstow Rd SE10 / Humber Rd SE10
Contravention
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 17, 2026, 7:13 pm
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You have yet to post the PCN. Please do not redact PCN Number
and car reg, because we use these to view the online video.
GSV is way out-of-date, (August 2020), so we need to know if
there is an advance warning sign for a left turn approach. If
there isn't you look to have a fairly strong case, but only at
London Tribunals because Greenwich, (wanting your money !!),
will just refuse any reps you submit to them.
The photos you have posted show the single sign would be side-on
to a left turn approach. Don't think for a moment that the
council have any brains or intelligence; they haven't but are
very good at stonewalling and sending out Fob-Off letters. Going
to London Tribunals means you have to risk the full PCN penalty.
Nothing to pay if you win, of course, and the full penalty if
you lose, but that is all, there are no additional costs. And
Greenwich may fold and concede just before the adjudication
hearing. It's a favourite trick of London councils.
Were you using satnav to drive there ?
Main point we need is the signage - is there an advance warning
sign
#Post#: 106374--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Greenwich PCN - Halstow Rd SE10 / Humber Rd SE10
Contravention
DIR By: alexB
Date: January 18, 2026, 7:02 am
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Hi,
Sorry I forgot to attach the PCN previously.
I was following the sat nav as the area was all new to me. I
have gone back to the area to check for any previous warnings
and i only found one in the middle of a junction before
approaching the left turn.
It looks like the council were trialing these restrictions as on
their website it says THIS: "The 18-month trial, which is
designed to improve air quality and road safety, began on
Wednesday 27 November.
New road signs explaining the part-time weekday camera-enforced
(7am to 10am and 3pm to 7pm) restrictions are being installed.
We’ve been listening to what communities have told us over the
last week, and to ensure we’re as clear as possible, we will be
reviewing, changing or removing certain signs which have caused
some confusion.
We will be extending the grace period to 2 January 2025 while we
make these changes."
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Re: Royal Greenwich PCN - Halstow Rd SE10 / Humber Rd SE10
Contravention
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 18, 2026, 10:43 am
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OK, so there is an advance sign, and of the type we like to see,
but its placement is by no means good at all, being on the
offside of the approach. Appeals at London Tribunals have been
won on such a thing, but it's by no means a slam-dunk win, as a
lot does depend on the adjudicator you get 'on the day', (which
it shouldn't, of course, but we deal in reality here).
I have to say that using satnav to drive round minor streets in
London is just asking for trouble nowadays, but submit reps as I
outlined anyway, and don't mention satnav ! There may also be a
'technical' appeal based on council mismanagement of the
enforcement process, so wait a bit for a response on that, but
don't miss the deadlines on the PCN.
#Post#: 106559--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Greenwich PCN - Halstow Rd SE10 / Humber Rd SE10
Contravention
DIR By: alexB
Date: January 19, 2026, 1:05 pm
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Is this draft okay to send:
I make formal representations against Penalty Charge Notice
GR24576209 on the following grounds.
- Signage
1. The council’s video evidence does not support the alleged
contravention. It is not possible for a motorist to clearly read
or assimilate the content of the restriction signage in real
time, particularly for a vehicle turning left into Halstow Road
from Humber Road. The positioning of the signage means it is not
reasonably visible to drivers making this manoeuvre.
2. The advance warning sign is positioned on the offside of the
approach, adjacent to a junction, and at a height that renders
it ineffective for drivers concentrating on safely executing a
left turn. As a result, the sign is easily missed and does not
provide adequate advance warning of the restriction.
3. I note that both the Traffic Signs Regulations and General
Directions (TSRGD) and the Traffic Signs Manual, Chapter 3,
provide specific guidance regarding the placement, height, and
visibility of signs so that restrictions are clearly conveyed to
all road users. I therefore put the council to strict proof that
the signage at this location complies fully with TSRGD
requirements and the guidance contained within the Traffic Signs
Manual.
4. Furthermore, upon turning into Halstow Road, the restriction
signage is only positioned on one side of the carriageway,
leaving drivers with no reasonable opportunity to observe the
restriction or take avoiding action before it is too late. This
failure to adequately sign the restriction means that it is not
properly conveyed and the alleged contravention did not occur.
- The PCN
I make this collateral challenge against its validity:
The PCN is missing mandatory information as provided at Para. 4
(8 ) (v) of
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(v) that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of
the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable;
Clearly, this refers to Para. 4 (8 ) (iii):
(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the
period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;
Therefore, it follows that the statement: "If you fail to pay
the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a
period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this
notice an increased charge of £140 may be payable." adds to the
lack of clarity by its omission. Even on its own, whether the
required information was included or not, it is also arguable
that it conflates the two periods by the use of the word "or"
which many would view as being conjunctive.
In light of the above, please cancel the PCN.
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Re: Royal Greenwich PCN - Halstow Rd SE10 / Humber Rd SE10
Contravention
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 19, 2026, 4:15 pm
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Looks OK to me. Do bear in mind that it is almost inevitable
they will reject your reps, because they know most poeple, (
like >95%), then cough-up to get the discount. Adequacy of
signage appeals usually only succeed at adjudication, (London
Tribunals). Anyway, post up their response when you get it,
please.
#Post#: 108254--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Greenwich PCN - Halstow Rd SE10 / Humber Rd SE10
Contravention
DIR By: Ilkaynas
Date: February 1, 2026, 7:04 am
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Hello alexB,
Was there any update on this?
I got a PCN for this restriction on 2nd Jan 26 at 7:30am but
coming from the other way i.e turning right into this same road.
Despite me being in the 14 day discount period (runs until the
3rd Feb) the Royal Borough of Greenwich website says the full
price is currently outstanding...
#Post#: 108269--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Greenwich PCN - Halstow Rd SE10 / Humber Rd SE10
Contravention
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: February 1, 2026, 8:55 am
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--- Quote from: Ilkaynas link ---
>
> Hello alexB,
>
> Was there any update on this?
>
> I got a PCN for this restriction on 2nd Jan 26 at 7:30am but
coming from the other way i.e turning right into this same road.
>
> Despite me being in the 14 day discount period (runs until the
3rd Feb) the Royal Borough of Greenwich website says the full
price is currently outstanding...
>
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and start your own thread.
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Re: Royal Greenwich PCN - Halstow Rd SE10 / Humber Rd SE10
Contravention
DIR By: alexB
Date: February 1, 2026, 9:07 am
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Hi John,
I am still waiting for them to reply to my appeal. When they do
I will let you know what the outcome is.
#Post#: 110567--------------------------------------------------
Re: Royal Greenwich PCN - Halstow Rd SE10 / Humber Rd SE10
Contravention
DIR By: alexB
Date: February 21, 2026, 5:51 am
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Hi, my appeal was rejected. What is the best option? I have
never taken it further than this. should I pay the 50% discount
of £80?
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