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#Post#: 106246--------------------------------------------------
TFL – 46: Red Route / Upper Street, Islington
DIR By: TwistedEdge
Date: January 16, 2026, 7:28 pm
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I think this one should be reasonably easy – unless there's a
red route rule that I missed? 🤔
I was parked on a red route on Upper Street, London N1. The
ticket puts my car there at 17:50 (correct), with a very blurry
image.
However, convinced it was a mistake I went back and took a
photo, and the sign says "No Stopping Mon-Sat 7pm to 4pm".
I am actually a Blue Badge Holder, but I think that part is
irrelevant in this case. 🤔
Front page of the ticket:
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/pdvKYYrw/Page_One.jpg
Their blurry photo of the sign:
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/sfMK2mhS/Camera_Shot.jpg
Clear photo of sign, taken when I went back to check:
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/Kc1QYfMB/real_life.jpg
Apart from querying the signage (which is possibly their
mistake), is there anything else I should challenge?
#Post#: 106310--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL – 46: Red Route / Upper Street, Islington
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 17, 2026, 2:21 pm
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We really do need to see what the carriageway markings because
there are two adjacent bays here with different restrictions.
Latest GSV view is September 2025. You will see that it has no
sign outside the pub, so some changes seem to have been made.
Quite possibly these have yet to be communicated to the CCTV
viewing staff.
This 2024 view shows a sign outside the pub with restricted
hours 7am to 7pm, with loading-only 7am to 4pm.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/fFraD2pzBffqePXL6
This 2025 view shows no sign at all for this bay
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/ozKLXoSGtxgjsnHS6
Note the bay boundary at the phone box (==== line)
Looks like somebody has boobed on the bay signs.
#Post#: 106315--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL – 46: Red Route / Upper Street, Islington
DIR By: TwistedEdge
Date: January 17, 2026, 3:00 pm
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The other segments give the full time cutoff as 7pm ‐ one
of them gives 3 hours for Blue Badge holders up to 7pm and
another for Blue Badge holders up to 4pm.
This is the only one that gives 4pm for all users – which seems
to suggest a mistake by the sign installer.
I won't be able to take any more photos for a while.
#Post#: 106424--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL – 46: Red Route / Upper Street, Islington
DIR By: TwistedEdge
Date: January 18, 2026, 2:09 pm
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Actually I did have one other photo of the markings relevant to
the bay – just not showing the ending clearly (roughly where the
motorbike is).
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/NjnJm1N4/2026-01-16-18-05.jpg
#Post#: 106441--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL – 46: Red Route / Upper Street, Islington
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 18, 2026, 4:55 pm
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The bay goes back behind the photograph, and if there is no sign
at its start, then this can be the only sign for the bay, and
your PCN is void. The pole for the sign was there in 2024 with a
sign for 7am to 7pm.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/FXyuHqzfhTHi1rpa9
But the sign has disappeared in 2025, but the location is
clearly still there, with a bit of tarmac filling the hole
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/W9jvPV6XK5ehjeaa7
If one looks on GSV right back to the earliest view of 2018,
that sign is always there with the 7am to 7pm times.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/tbi4QsyQb4YXaC1g8
Also there has only ever been that one sign too.
Absent in September 2025, but now there, from when we know not,
but now with times 7am to 4pm. There can be no clearer evidence
that the PCN is void. I would take them all the way to London
Tribunals if it were me.
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Re: TFL – 46: Red Route / Upper Street, Islington
DIR By: TwistedEdge
Date: January 18, 2026, 5:43 pm
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That is the only sign in this bay, and it does have clear
markings at each end. I was just curious whether there was
anything I had missed, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
I'll draft out a simple challenge because – unless they do
something dishonest, like change the sign and accuse me of
forgery – it's just obviously their mistake.
Thank you all.
#Post#: 106458--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL – 46: Red Route / Upper Street, Islington
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 18, 2026, 7:43 pm
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--- Quote from: TwistedEdge link ---
>
> That is the only sign in this bay, and it does have clear
markings at each end. I was just curious whether there was
anything I had missed, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
>
> I'll draft out a simple challenge because – unless they do
something dishonest, like change the sign and accuse me of
forgery – it's just obviously their mistake.
>
> Thank you all.
>
--- End Quote ---
No need to write a lot; just say the sign for the bay restricts
stopping 7am to 4pm, therefore your PCN is void as it is outside
the restricted times. Include a photo of the sign. Post up their
response when you get it.
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Re: TFL – 46: Red Route / Upper Street, Islington
DIR By: TwistedEdge
Date: February 11, 2026, 2:53 pm
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The ticket has been cancelled due to an "administration error".
So, thanks everyone for your feedback. :)
#Post#: 109522--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL – 46: Red Route / Upper Street, Islington
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 11, 2026, 3:12 pm
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So at last, somenody finally went and looked and found the sign
they were relying on wasn't there any more !
#Post#: 109531--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL – 46: Red Route / Upper Street, Islington
DIR By: TwistedEdge
Date: February 11, 2026, 4:45 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> So at last, somenody finally went and looked and found the
sign they were relying on wasn't there any more !
>
--- End Quote ---
The sign is still saying 4pm – but I genuinely think the
installers made a mistake, because every other restriction on
this road says 7pm.
It wouldn't surprise me if more people are getting PCNs and
paying them without question.
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