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#Post#: 10397--------------------------------------------------
SJP Notice For Speeding and Failure To Give Information
DIR By: jeezy
Date: November 16, 2023, 2:56 pm
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I have received SJP for the 2 stated charges and I wanted to
confirm if it was received at an address where I do not reside
would be valid grounds to put forward a not guilty please if i
plead guilty to the actual offence?
Thank you
#Post#: 10399--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Notice For Speeding and Failure To Give Information
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: November 16, 2023, 3:31 pm
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Not unless there is a good reason why it was received there
(good meaning not your fault).
If it is simply a case that you moved house and didn't bother
updating the V5C, that would not be a good reason.
#Post#: 10415--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Notice For Speeding and Failure To Give Information
DIR By: guest46
Date: November 17, 2023, 2:00 am
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As above, what is the address on the V5C vs where you live? If
they're different, why?
#Post#: 10468--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Notice For Speeding and Failure To Give Information
DIR By: jeezy
Date: November 17, 2023, 2:41 pm
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--- Quote from: M60NJP link ---
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> As above, what is the address on the V5C vs where you live? If
they're different, why?
>
--- End Quote ---
It is my mothers address.
So for purposes of the form should respond guilty on both
charges, they won't accept any reasoning for non guilty plea?
#Post#: 10470--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Notice For Speeding and Failure To Give Information
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: November 17, 2023, 2:48 pm
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--- Quote from: jeezy link ---
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> So for purposes of the form should respond guilty on both
charges, they won't accept any reasoning for non guilty plea?
>
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Depends - do you want points for speeding, failing to name the
driver, or both?
#Post#: 10495--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Notice For Speeding and Failure To Give Information
DIR By: guest46
Date: November 17, 2023, 11:12 pm
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They will (may) accept any/all reasonings if they prove you
were'nt the driver and or weren't exceeding the limit. Can you
do this?
As 'they' do not yet know who was driving, they cannot prosecute
you (or anyone else) for the speed, but the FTF looks nailed on
(if it went to Mym's why wasn't it passed on to you?).
Alternatively you could attend court and offer to please G to
the speeding if they drop the FTF - this is commonplace and
usually accepted.
Sup to you. Don't please guilty to both though!!
#Post#: 10559--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Notice For Speeding and Failure To Give Information
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: November 18, 2023, 5:37 pm
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--- Quote from: jeezy link ---
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> [quote author=M60NJP link=topic=950.msg10415#msg10415
date=1700208009]
> As above, what is the address on the V5C vs where you live? If
they're different, why?
>
--- End Quote ---
It is my mothers address.
So for purposes of the form should respond guilty on both
charges, they won't accept any reasoning for non guilty plea?
[/quote]
So are you saying that a NIP/s172 request to name the driver was
not sent to you at your mother's address, or are you saying that
one was, but that your mother never passed it on to you?
If you are going to use an address other than the address you
live at as a correspondence address, you need to ensure either
that you pick correspondence up or have it passed on to you.
What makes you think you should plead guilty to both charges?
Some background explanation as to how this has happened would be
helpul
#Post#: 10560--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Notice For Speeding and Failure To Give Information
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: November 18, 2023, 5:56 pm
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--- Quote from: ManxTom link ---
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> What makes you think you should plead guilty to both charges?
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Probably because the enablers have not posted a flowchart of how
to proceed based on all conceivable circumstances not yet
disclosed to us by the OP.
#Post#: 10683--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Notice For Speeding and Failure To Give Information
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: November 20, 2023, 3:41 am
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--- Quote from: jeezy link ---
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> they won't accept any reasoning for non guilty plea?
>
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Who is 'they'? The court or the Police?
Right now they have no evidence you were driving so the speeding
charge will fail unless you plead guilty to the charge, that
would be a bad idea unless it has other benefits (see below).
Without some meaningful detail from you it looks likely you were
guilty of the failing to furnish offence.
HOWEVER that offence carries more points and a much bigger
uplift in insurance premiums so is to be avoided if possible.
IF (and only if) you believe it was probably you driving then
the usual recommendation is to do a 'plea deal' where you offer
to plead guilty to the speeding if the FtF is dropped, this is
routine and always (if put properly) accepted, in fact there is
little reason for them to dual charge you other than to make the
deal easier.
#Post#: 10843--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJP Notice For Speeding and Failure To Give Information
DIR By: jeezy
Date: November 21, 2023, 2:38 pm
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Thank you for the responses, please see a more accurate timeline
of events for which I need to fill in a response in the next 7
days.
-Following a speeding offence recorded exceeding 30mph, as
registered keeper a NIP was received sent to vehicle registered
address (where I do not reside)
-Subsequent reminder notice was also sent before an SJP was
received 07-11.
-Along with the SJP, photograhic evidence of the vehicle along
with Witness Statement from TVP was received (see below)
HTML https://ibb.co/v3Cy54H
HTML https://ibb.co/gPHsNHS
-I now have a plea form to fill and return to plead guilty/not
guilty to 2 offences along with mitigation and defence section
to fill in (for not guilty plea)
I do believe it is likely i was driving and thus would
appreciate a suitable response in line with a plea deal being
put forward
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