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#Post#: 105710--------------------------------------------------
TfL - 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - despi
te road markings showing a right turn
By: TheParkingmeister Date: January 13, 2026, 9:30 am
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I have this PCN for a driver at work from TfL for a 50r
Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn). Going along Camden
Road, there is crossroads with St Pancras Way. Now, approaching
these lights in the left lane is a forward arrow. In the right
of the two lanes is a forward arrow with a right arrow coming
off it (as one symbol/marking) -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/9vGtueZmyfYycfbT6?g_st=ac
I understand that the signs on the traffic lights indicating no
right turn onto St Pancras Way are statutory directions and may
take precedent over road markings, but surely the road markings
should not straight up contradict the signs, that just seems
wrong. I had appealed it which I have linked below and they
rejected it and provide FOI requested data that I never
requested. There is also just two cases on the London Tribunals
register of appeals for CAMDEN ROAD NORTHBOUND JW ST PANCRAS
WAY, both were from 2025 and both allowed as TfL decided to DNC.
One of those appeals was from a company so I have contacted them
to ask what their grounds of appeal were for the appeal.
Anyway, I'm trying to figure out if I can win this appeal.
Common sense and the requirements for signage and road markings
to be clear and not ambiguous tells me this isn't right.
TfL PCN -
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HY17COjevhWIoleFtr0sI_vc0S5MTZEu/view?usp=drivesdk
My appeal letter -
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tuYjFxawYq8U7VNbVex04HLLbRkIIwIK/view?usp=drivesdk
Notice of Rejection -
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vSx6Y1F_7RTWlzU81PuDbCD68fMTni2y/view?usp=drivesdk
FOI & TRO -
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hIbAhVPBucngsxZ13aNSca2NBMX7m-QY/view?usp=drivesdk
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Re: TfL - 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - d
espite road markings showing a right turn
By: fraser.mitchell Date: January 13, 2026, 12:47 pm
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Please post a GSV link to the location.
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Re: TfL - 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - d
espite road markings showing a right turn
By: Hippocrates Date: January 13, 2026, 1:58 pm
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I am reliably informed that at the final stages their website is
a serious issue re dates of increase.
[member=1]cp8759[/member] ?
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Re: TfL - 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - d
espite road markings showing a right turn
By: TheParkingmeister Date: January 13, 2026, 3:11 pm
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[quote author=Incandescent link=topic=9483.msg105741#msg105741
date=1768330034]
Please post a GSV link to the location.
[/quote]
Is it not in my post, it should be.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/d5z3qWk9GXry8xPo6?g_st=ac
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Re: TfL - 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - d
espite road markings showing a right turn
By: fraser.mitchell Date: January 13, 2026, 6:49 pm
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I see the clear arrow with a right turn on it as well. This
looks quite new, so the implication is the highways department
have re-painted the road markings but have not checked whether
they still apply, which the signs on the traffic light heads
contradict. They'll probably say "ah well, the right turn
indication is for the buses" which are allowed to turn right.
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Re: TfL - 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - d
espite road markings showing a right turn
By: TheParkingmeister Date: January 14, 2026, 2:13 am
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TfL essentially have said that yes. But would the London
Tribunal? We know TfL don't have the greatest understanding of
traffic contraventions, they reject appeals that would win at
Tribunal everyday of the week except Sunday, but twice on
Monday.
The road markings clearly contradict the signs on the traffic
lights, had the road markings had supplementary writing saying
"RIGHT TURN BUSES ONLY" I might be more accepting.
Because our head offices only sent me the NoR yesterday, the
charge is already at £160. So, there is actually nothing to lose
by appealing to London Tribunal.
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Re: TfL - 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - d
espite road markings showing a right turn
By: fraser.mitchell Date: January 14, 2026, 4:44 am
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No point in paying now if the amount is £160.
#Post#: 106098--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL - 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - d
espite road markings showing a right turn
By: ivanleo Date: January 15, 2026, 1:49 pm
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[quote author=TheParkingmeister
link=topic=9483.msg105801#msg105801 date=1768378420]
Because our head offices only sent me the NoR yesterday, the
charge is already at £160. So, there is actually nothing to lose
by appealing to London Tribunal.
[/quote]
Don't appeal by post, send the completed forms by email to
queries@londontribunals.org.uk
If you'd like me to represent you don't send any forms anywhere
and please contact me directly.
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Re: TfL - 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - d
espite road markings showing a right turn
By: TheParkingmeister Date: January 16, 2026, 3:49 am
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[quote author=cp8759 link=topic=9483.msg106098#msg106098
date=1768506579]
[quote author=TheParkingmeister
link=topic=9483.msg105801#msg105801 date=1768378420]
Because our head offices only sent me the NoR yesterday, the
charge is already at £160. So, there is actually nothing to lose
by appealing to London Tribunal.
[/quote]
Don't appeal by post, send the completed forms by email to
queries@londontribunals.org.uk
If you'd like me to represent you don't send any forms anywhere
and please contact me directly.
[/quote]
I will have to email it, but our head office lost the sodding
forms :-\
If the NoR is issued/posted on Thursday 18th December, it would
not be deemed to be served until the second working day after,
right? So, it is deemed to have been served Monday the 22nd.
The Tribunal appeal has to be delivered within 28 days. So, I
would be pushing my luck sending it by post.
Also, I called TfL yesterday, they told me I can send in my
appeal to London Tribunal without the forms. They didn't fill me
with confidence but don't have much choice.
Thanks for the offer to represent, but I am an employee of a
company so it's not upto me.
Lastly, what would the adjudicators test be for this
contravention and appeal? As in, is the test whether a
reasonable driver seeing the right turn arrow could miss or
understand the upright signs on the traffic lights? That is what
happened. But I can't deny that the driver should have seen and
understood the upright signs on the lights, but evidently the
road marking diverted his attention to safely making the
manoeuvre and complying with the yellow box junction whilst
waiting for a gap in the oncoming traffic in order to safely
make the right turn and also clear the box junction
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