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       #Post#: 104877--------------------------------------------------
       Hammersmith and Fulham PCN - Studdridge street NE bound - 52M
       non-compliance of motor vehicle
   DIR By: Quashquai20
       Date: January 6, 2026, 7:37 pm
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       Hi all, first time posting here and was signposted here from the
       helpful people running a similar operation on the MSE forum.
       This is about a PCN a family member got and I wasn't there so i
       know as much as you would. Unfortunately, they are on holiday
       but if necessary i will ask them for further information (they
       would like me to appeal if possible however).
       Date / time of contravention: mid-December 2025 around 7pm
       Date of notice: 05/01/2026
       PCN number: HZ96139123
       Number plate: LS24SMU
       Website to view PCN
  HTML https://ocmlive.xrxpsc.com/lbhf/ocm-fe/ocm/
       Google maps location
  HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4725792,-0.1933244,3a,75y,65.74h,84.35t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sr_UEBO57trWPao1OtXckhg!2e0!5s20250701T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.6523595399936255%26panoid%3Dr_UEBO57trWPao1OtXckhg%26yaw%3D65.73730953513333!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDEwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
       Almost similar thread i found on here
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       Here's what i've been thinking (anything and everything) to
       potentially use if i could appeal (because £80 for this is
       hefty!):
       - It is dark so seeing the sign is harder (they are in their
       60s) and they were focused on the tight manoeuvre
       - It is a car bought recently (September 2025) and have only
       driven it a couple times and with it being wide it was also a
       concern when getting through the narrowing.
       - We aren't londoners and not used to these types of
       prohibitions on side roads (it looks like a regular residential
       road past the traffic narrowing)
       Thank you
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       Image of first page of PCN:
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       #Post#: 104905--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN - Studdridge street NE bound -
       52M non-compliance of motor vehicle
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: January 7, 2026, 4:38 am
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       Problem here is that the restriction signs are about 10 yards in
       advance of the narrow point, so when they were worrying about
       the width restriction they had already passed the two
       restriction signs. Two signs and in good order, too. The real
       problem in my opinion is their lack of knowledge about these
       restriction signs. Were they following satnav ? Just using this
       like automatons is fatal in London with these restrictions all
       over the place. Satnavs are never up-to-date.
       I would advise them to submit representations based on your
       narrative here, namely strangers to London (say where they
       live), elderly, not used to the new car, etc. If H&F reject
       their reps they will re-offer the discount provided the reps are
       received within the discount period.
       #Post#: 104918--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN - Studdridge street NE bound -
       52M non-compliance of motor vehicle
   DIR By: Quashquai20
       Date: January 7, 2026, 5:58 am
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       Thank you for the reply. I'm not sure whether they used
       navigation, but i assume they did and would've definitely used
       google maps. I've just checked on google maps and it allows a
       route through this street without mentioning restrictions so it
       is possible they simply relied on it.
       #Post#: 104928--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN - Studdridge street NE bound -
       52M non-compliance of motor vehicle
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: January 7, 2026, 6:06 am
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       To be frank, I don't see any robust appeal argument to take to
       London Tribunals, all I've seen so far is mitigation, and
       adjudicators cannot take that into account in their decisions.
       #Post#: 104952--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN - Studdridge street NE bound -
       52M non-compliance of motor vehicle
   DIR By: Quashquai20
       Date: January 7, 2026, 8:34 am
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       I see, i'll just submit my representation and hope for the best.
       If not, i'll just pay the fine. Thank you!
       #Post#: 110386--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN - Studdridge street NE bound -
       52M non-compliance of motor vehicle
   DIR By: Quashquai20
       Date: February 19, 2026, 12:38 pm
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       It's been a whole month exactly since i sent the representation
       and haven't heard back since, but got the automatic reply for
       confirmation. Is this normal?
       #Post#: 110419--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN - Studdridge street NE bound -
       52M non-compliance of motor vehicle
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: February 19, 2026, 6:18 pm
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       --- Quote from: Quashquai20 link ---
       >
       > It's been a whole month exactly since i sent the
       representation and haven't heard back since, but got the
       automatic reply for confirmation. Is this normal?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Pretty much, I'm afraid. If you can, look at the status of the
       PCN on their website to see what stage it's at.
       #Post#: 116930--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN - Studdridge street NE bound -
       52M non-compliance of motor vehicle
   DIR By: Quashquai20
       Date: April 24, 2026, 6:09 pm
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       Unfortunately, though expected, the PCN appeal was rejected.
       Funny thing is they put
       "On this occasion only, we will allow you another opportunity to
       pay this PCN at the
       reduced amount of £80.00. I must however advise you that we are
       not required to do
       this by law. This offer will not be re-offered for this PCN"
       Am i meant to be grateful? Because they offered it in the first
       place  ::)
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       Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN - Studdridge street NE bound -
       52M non-compliance of motor vehicle
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: April 24, 2026, 6:49 pm
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       --- Quote from: Quashquai20 link ---
       >
       > Unfortunately, though expected, the PCN appeal was rejected.
       Funny thing is they put
       >
       > "On this occasion only, we will allow you another opportunity
       to pay this PCN at the
       > reduced amount of £80.00. I must however advise you that we
       are not required to do
       > this by law. This offer will not be re-offered for this PCN"
       >
       > Am i meant to be grateful? Because they offered it in the
       first place  ::)
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You don't have a legal right to the discount, I'm afraid, but
       most London councils re-offer it to avoid the PITA of you taking
       them to London Tribunals. They then have to prepare an evidence
       pack and pay the discount fee, so although if  they win they get
       twice the amount, its actually not all that much more than the
       discount. Most people cough-up when offered the discount so
       their practice works.
       #Post#: 116937--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN - Studdridge street NE bound -
       52M non-compliance of motor vehicle
   DIR By: Quashquai20
       Date: April 25, 2026, 1:05 am
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       Yes it did seem like that would be the case! Tried my best, I
       guess i'll just get my dad to pay up, thank you for the help and
       replies  :)
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