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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: JackieDaytona Date: January 7, 2026, 3:17 am
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This is the initial response I got when I challenged it for that
reason. The bothersome bit is the discount period. £160 is an
absolutely ridiculous amount for a parking ticket which, right
now i cant afford.
But my next step is it going to the environment and traffic
adjudicator.
Why the PCN was issued?
This PCN was issued because the vehicle was parked in a shared
use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit or
clearly displaying a valid physical permit or voucher or pay and
display ticket issued for that place where required or without a
telephone parking session for that place.
Your challenge
You have stated
I wish to challenge the above Penalty Charge Notice due to
inadequate and unclear signage, and the absence of any
indication that an event day restriction was in force.
No “Event Day Today” signs were displayed at the entry to the
zone
I approached Colwith Road and did not see any “Event Day Today”
signs at the Controlled Parking Zone entry points. These signs
are a mandatory requirement for event-day enforcement, as they
are the only means by which a motorist can know that additional
restrictions apply.
If the council asserts that such signs were displayed, I request
the following:
The exact locations of all event-day signs
Photographs showing they were visible and not obscured
Confirmation of the time at which they were switched to “Event
Today”
Without these signs being clearly and prominently displayed, the
event-day restriction cannot be enforced. This principle is well
established in multiple London Tribunals decisions.
There is no way for a person who doesn't follow football to know
that "event day" refers to a football match and there were
absolutely no signs on that road to say that there was an event
day
My findings
The vehicle was in controlled parking zone T. A ‘match day’
restriction scheme operates in zones T, X & Y (the area
surrounding Fulham Football Club ground at Craven Cottage).
On the day of scheduled weekday evening fixtures as well as
weekends, the hours of controlled parking are extended to 22:00
and 21:30. The parking bays in this area also have a two hour
maximum stay for pay and display ticket holders & telephone
parking on match days (At all other times the restrictions apply
09:00 to 17:00, Monday to Friday; with an 8 hour pay and display
& telephone parking session limit).
The PCN was issued on the date and at the time above in a shared
parking permit/pay and display bay restricted until 22:00 due to
resident priority football match restrictions. During a period
of 8 minutes no activity was seen at the vehicle.
There are signs in each street which show the parking
restrictions. Drivers have a responsibility to check for parking
signs and markings and to park in accordance with them.
Please see the image below of the signage which was taken by the
Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) at the time of issuing the PCN.
The match dates on which these extended restrictions will apply
are also advertised on the Council’s website.
Please refer to the following links on the Council’s website:
HTML https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/parking/pay-and-display/parking-zone-times-and-charges
HTML https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/parking/pay-and-display/match-day-parking-craven-cottage
The onus is on the driver to ensure their vehicle is parked in
compliance at all times, including any temporary amendments that
may apply, particularly when parking in an area where event days
are common.
The CEO has a legal obligation to issue a PCN to any vehicle
seen parking in contravention; regrettably, as the above vehicle
was parked in contravention, this Council cannot find any valid
reason to waive the Charge. I am therefore satisfied that the
PCN was correctly issued.
My decision
I have considered what you have said and all the available
evidence, but I do not agree that we should cancel your
liability for this PCN.
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: JackieDaytona Date: January 7, 2026, 3:44 am
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[quote author=Incandescent link=topic=9386.msg104864#msg104864
date=1767740987]
Keep it simple and say that the CPZ sign you saw shortly before
you turned left into Nella Road had no information on it about
Event Days at all. Let them shoot themselves in the foot by
saying the one on the right by the bus stop, (so likely to be
hidden most times by buses), is the sign.
[/quote]
This is essentially what I said, and asked for them to show
evidence of where the event day signs were. Which you can see
from my response, they didn't actually state.
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: stamfordman Date: January 7, 2026, 4:35 am
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OK I didn't realise you'd already challenged.
When does the discount offer end. If you decide to try formal
reps they will probably again reoffer the discount on rejection
but you can try stronger reps.
If it goes to the tribunal they sometimes fail to provide proper
evidence for the adjudicator.
Here in my view it's not just the entry signs but the parking
place sign as it provides no clue that an event day is not
Mon-Fri and no info plate saying how you'd find out about event
days, and does the 2 hours apply to permit holders too?
Other councils are better at event day signage although none is
perfect.
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: JackieDaytona Date: January 7, 2026, 4:37 am
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14 day discount period ends 14 days from yesterday. So I have
time. I agree on the signs being confusing. I also used that in
my initial argument.
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: fraser.mitchell Date: January 7, 2026, 4:47 am
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They have deliberately ignored the point about signs with the
event days because they know the signs for CPZ T are inadequate.
They have also given you another point to make, by saying you
should check their website. Appeals have been won on this,
because adjudicators apply the law and that law is that the
signs must reflect the traffic order.
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: JackieDaytona Date: January 7, 2026, 5:02 am
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I'm going to challenge it again with the below reply. Please let
me know your thoughts.
Dear x,
It is disappointing to see that you have rejected my claim
without giving consideration to the points I made.
As mentioned, the signs (including the one you attached) are not
clear as the parking restrictions say Mon-Fri and the event days
sign says nothing about operating outside of these days.
Furthermore, the CPZ T are inadequate, with the only event days
sign for this CPZ being in an area that I did not pass. My
direction of travel was north up Fulham Palace road, then a left
turn onto Nella Road. Nowhere during this journey was there a
CPZ visible with the event day dates displayed.
In regards to the point about me having to check the website.
This isn't consistent with the law. Adjudicators apply the law
and that law is that the signs must reflect the traffic order.
Lastly, after doing some research into this issue, it seems this
is a common issue in the area and that appeals have been
accepted for these exact reasons. Please see below:
Case reference 2250294640
Appellant Jonathan Brenner
Authority London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
VRM HN63 OVL
PCN Details
PCN HZ78122708
Contravention date 16 Mar 2025
Contravention time 10:29:00
Contravention location Winslow Road
Penalty amount N/A
Contravention Parked resident/shared use without a valid
permit
Referral date -
Decision Date 15 Sep 2025
Adjudicator Carl Teper
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons
The Appellant has attended his appeal by video link, the
Authority is not represented.
The Authority's case is that the Appellant's vehicle was parked
in a residents' or shared use parking place or zone without a
valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical
permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that
place where required, or without payment of the parking charge
when in Winslow Road on Sunday, 16 March 2025 at 10:29.
The Appellant's case is that there was nothing to indicate that
this particular Sunday was an Event/March day with additional
restrictions.
I have considered the evidence in this case and I find that this
contravention is not proved.
Sunday, 16 March 2025 may well have been an Event/Match day,
however, there is a requirement for this to be indicated on the
Controlled Parking signage when entering a particular Zone - in
this case the Zone that surrounds the football ground of the
local football team.
This Authority has failed to provide a map indicating the extent
of the Zone, where the CPZ signage is located and at least an
example of a CPZ sign recording that Sunday, 16 March 2025 was
an Event/Match day.
In the absence of such evidence I am not satisfied that the
Authority has proved this particular contravention.
The appeal is allowed.
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: fraser.mitchell Date: January 7, 2026, 5:59 am
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Their reply (rejection), is to your informal challenge to the
PCN. It is almost certain that they will tell you to wait for
the Notice to Owner and submit a formal representation; are you
the owner holding the V5C Registration Certificate for the
vehicle, and is it up-to-date ?
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: JackieDaytona Date: January 7, 2026, 6:01 am
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I thought that but I'm also still able to appeal again it seems.
If you have any further information/comments to make regarding
this PCN, please submit them on-line using the challenge form on
the following web page www.lbhf.gov.uk/pcn
and the website is allowing another.
I am the registered owener and v5 is up to date. Although I'm
moving in March
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: JackieDaytona Date: January 15, 2026, 10:16 am
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can you pay at the 50% discount and still appeal by any chance?
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: stamfordman Date: January 15, 2026, 10:32 am
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[quote author=JackieDaytona link=topic=9386.msg106047#msg106047
date=1768493765]
can you pay at the 50% discount and still appeal by any chance?
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No. That's why they offer the discount. Paying closes the case
although you can write to them if exceptional circumstances
later come to light.
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