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Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: JackieDaytona Date: January 6, 2026, 7:05 am
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I parked on a street a few Sundays ago when there was a match
on. I had no idea there was a match on, I dont follow football.
The sign had a mon-sat parking restriction, but then did mention
event day restrictions of like 9am-10pm. I didn't see a single
sign at any point mentioning there being an event day. I used
this in my dispute that has been rejected and the reply was, in
short, saying the onus is on me to check their website to see
whether its an event day or not. I've used chatgpt for this and
this is the counter argument, which i'm hoping someone can tell
me if there's actually any basis for argument here.
1. I did not see any CPZ entry signs stating “Event Today”.
2. The council has produced no evidence that such signs were
displayed on that date.
3. A bay sign stating “event days only” does not tell a motorist
whether today is an event day.
4. Drivers are not required to check council websites to
determine whether parking restrictions apply.
5. The signage therefore failed to adequately convey the
restriction in force, and the contravention did not occur.
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: fraser.mitchell Date: January 6, 2026, 10:44 am
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Please post the PCN and a GSV link to the exact location.
Normally for these event restrictions, there are signs at the
entrance to a zone, usually a CPZ. There have been loads of
cases like yours, and some appeals won at London Tribunals, but
you must be prepared to stand your ground and take them all the
way to London Tribunals, and risk the full PCN penalty if you
lose. Nothing to pay, of course, if you win. No additional costs
either.
#Post#: 104847--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: JackieDaytona Date: January 6, 2026, 4:16 pm
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I'm unsure if the below link works, but hopefully it does. It
was on Colwith Road, Hammersmith.
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4855322,-0.2228768,3a,75y,72.25h,91.5t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1sgcpWIZs5VIwS4vbAmVyYYA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-1.497115338182283%26panoid%3DgcpWIZs5VIwS4vbAmVyYYA%26yaw%3D72.25313803643621!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i40?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTIwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Having a hard time figuring out how to upload an image here. But
the way i got to this road was by turning left onto Nella Road
from Fulham Palace road, then right onto Rannoch Road, then
right onto Colwith Road. I don't remember seeing any CPZ signs.
Just the monday - saturday parking sign, with the event times
below (again, i had no idea there was an event).
As for the PCN itself, i cant upload it but happy to provide any
details you need. It was one that was placed on my screen by a
warden.
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: catnip Date: January 6, 2026, 4:24 pm
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[quote author=JackieDaytona link=topic=9386.msg104847#msg104847
date=1767737792]
As for the PCN itself, i cant upload it but happy to provide any
details you need. It was one that was placed on my screen by a
warden.
[/quote]
Have a look at this post which will assist you in posting a link
to the PCN.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: stamfordman Date: January 6, 2026, 4:31 pm
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I looked at this zone in this case.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lb-hf-parking-fine
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: JackieDaytona Date: January 6, 2026, 4:40 pm
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Thanks for that reply. Seems interesting. So two cases where one
was accepted and one was rejected. I already had one for this
rejected but it just seemed like an auto reply. There were
definitely no traditional CPZ signs on my way to where I parked,
and there were definitely no event day signs. I also parked just
two steets down from the appeal that got accepted.
Would I be able to use that every appeal in my appeal, if that
makes sense?
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: fraser.mitchell Date: January 6, 2026, 4:46 pm
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OK, so I assume you drove north up Fulham Palace Road, (been
along there quite a few times on a trolleybus back in the day,
but anyway...).
So here is the completely barmy sign they have put up to tell
you you are entering CPZ T :-
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/KYj1qbLxmjzEVFx49
Would you notice that driving along ? No, thought not. You will
see through the foliage that it has a slot at the bottom for
event days. However, a bit further south near Fulham Cemetery,
the signs are far, far, better: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/YzjoQz4oWD1xDaGf6
and you would have passed these too. Whilst you parked in the
next CPZ along, (this one is for Zone X), the event days are
common to all the CPZs along here that have event day
restrictions. Looking at their map of CPZ, the ones with event
day restrictions are those on the west side of the Fulham Palace
Road.
HTML https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/parking/pay-and-display/map-controlled-parking-zones
So, have the council met their statutory duty under Regulation
18 of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England
and Wales) Regulations 1996 ? My view is that it is arguable,
because you did pass a sign giving the event days, but really
the signs when you pass into Zone T, where you parked, are
totally inadequate.
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: JackieDaytona Date: January 6, 2026, 4:55 pm
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I did drive North. That first sign you posted is facing south i
believe, i also would have turned left before that point too. I
believe I turned left before the hospital.
As for the other sign. I didnt see that when driving, with it
being the other side of the road but yeah I see the argument. I
guess my strongest argument is that there wasnt an event sign in
the actual CPZ i parked in, with as you mentioned the only event
days sign being in the CPZ prior?
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: fraser.mitchell Date: January 6, 2026, 5:09 pm
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Keep it simple and say that the CPZ sign you saw shortly before
you turned left into Nella Road had no information on it about
Event Days at all. Let them shoot themselves in the foot by
saying the one on the right by the bus stop, (so likely to be
hidden most times by buses), is the sign.
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
By: stamfordman Date: January 6, 2026, 5:24 pm
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Don't rush this - draft something here. I think the parking
signs are not adequate as per the other thread.
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