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#Post#: 104977--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wanstead, Redbridge PCN issued for car parked on a section o
f the road with no obvious parking restrictions
By: Chr1s100 Date: January 7, 2026, 11:03 am
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On that basis, how would you recommend is best to take this
forwards?
#Post#: 104991--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wanstead, Redbridge PCN issued for car parked on a section o
f the road with no obvious parking restrictions
By: fraser.mitchell Date: January 7, 2026, 12:07 pm
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[quote author=Chr1s100 link=topic=9332.msg104977#msg104977
date=1767805397]
On that basis, how would you recommend is best to take this
forwards?
[/quote]
If you haven't already, now submit representations based on what
you have told us about the signage. Of course they will reject
them, but may shoot themselves in the foot in their reply. It is
usual for them to re-offer the discount, provided the reps are
received within the discount period, and may even re-offer it if
outside it too, but that is less certain.
#Post#: 104994--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wanstead, Redbridge PCN issued for car parked on a section o
f the road with no obvious parking restrictions
By: stamfordman Date: January 7, 2026, 12:12 pm
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Draft a challenge and post here.
#Post#: 105376--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wanstead, Redbridge PCN issued for car parked on a section o
f the road with no obvious parking restrictions
By: Chr1s100 Date: January 11, 2026, 6:00 am
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Thanks very much,
Here is my proposed appeal:
The signage at the entrance to Wellington Road from the High
Street was not readily visible at the time of the alleged
contravention. The sign on the left-hand side of the carriageway
has been turned through approximately 90 degrees, rendering it
effectively invisible to drivers entering the road from this
direction.
Furthermore, Wellington Road is divided by a mini roundabout
into two distinct sections. The section where my vehicle was
parked has no signage at either entry point indicating parking
restrictions. Having missed the obscured entry sign due to its
condition, and finding no further signage upon entering the
second section of the road, I reasonably concluded that this
area was unrestricted.
I took care to observe the visible parking restrictions on the
road, noting areas marked with double yellow lines and single
yellow lines with accompanying signage. I deliberately parked in
a section with no road markings and no visible signage
indicating any restriction. In the absence of road markings or
visible signage, it was reasonable to conclude that this section
of the street was unrestricted.
The permit parking area in question does not conform to the
Department for Transport's Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3, which
provides guidance on the appropriate use of permit parking areas
designated by entry signs alone (without bay markings).
Paragraph 13.10.2 of the guidance states that this type of
signing is suitable for "a cul-de-sac or a small network of
roads with little or no through traffic" and warns that
"otherwise the lack of road markings might tempt drivers
unfamiliar with the area to park." Wellington Road is a through
road with a mini roundabout, not a cul-de-sac or small enclosed
network.
The guidance further notes that where a permit parking area
"comprises a through road or is used for access to other roads
not included in the area," specific amended wording should be
used on signage. The current arrangement covers a large zone of
multiple roads with unclear boundaries, making it difficult for
drivers unfamiliar with the area to identify which streets are
included in the restriction.
Even had the entry signage been visible, the application of this
signing method to such a large and complex area is inconsistent
with the official guidance, which anticipates its use only where
drivers can reasonably be expected to understand the extent of
the restricted area.
Attached Evidence:
Photograph showing vehicle parked outside the single yellow line
restricted area
[img width=800
height=1062]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/R9LlvX5_xl.jpg[/img]
Photograph showing vehicle parked outside the double yellow line
area
[img width=800
height=1062]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/2xRLD9J_xl.jpg[/img]
Photograph showing distance between vehicle and the single
yellow line restriction
[img width=800
height=602]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/Xi4x64d_xl.jpg[/img]
Photograph of entry sign at Wellington Road/High Street
junction, showing sign rotated 90 degrees
[img width=800
height=1062]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/OwkuQoW_xl.jpg[/img]
Map of the permit parking zone
[img width=800
height=626]
HTML https://i.ibb.co/3Y0f5xsY/Screenshot-2026-01-02-at-18-31-48.png[/img]
Department for Transport Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3 extract
(Section 13.10 – Permit Parking Areas)
[img width=800
height=1359]
HTML https://i.ibb.co/39qh5W1y/Screenshot-2026-01-02-at-18-37-04.png[/img]
#Post#: 105994--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wanstead, Redbridge PCN issued for car parked on a section o
f the road with no obvious parking restrictions
By: Chr1s100 Date: January 15, 2026, 6:28 am
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Any thoughts on the proposed appeal before I send it? Thanks
very much
#Post#: 106011--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wanstead, Redbridge PCN issued for car parked on a section o
f the road with no obvious parking restrictions
By: stamfordman Date: January 15, 2026, 7:58 am
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You need to rework it a bit.
I would start it off:
I was puzzled to receive the PCN as it appeared I had parked in
an unrestricted street. On further investigation I have found
that the street is in a large permit parking area, but on
retracing my steps I contend that the contravention did not
occur owing to the entry signage on my approach being
inadequate.
etc.
#Post#: 107303--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wanstead, Redbridge PCN issued for car parked on a section o
f the road with no obvious parking restrictions
By: Chr1s100 Date: January 25, 2026, 9:10 am
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So I adjusted the wording and appealed and the appeal has been
rejected.
I had to edit the appeal slightly before submitting as it would
only allow 4 photos to be attached but the appeal said pretty
much this:
I was extremely surprised and frustrated to find a parking
ticket had been put on my car as it appeared I had parked on an
unrestricted street and I am always very conscious to park in a
legal and considerate manner.
Upon finding the ticket, I took photos of the car as parked and
walked along the street re-checking for signs to indicate that
there was any sort of restriction in place. As I had noticed
when I first parked, there were some sections of the road marked
with parking restriction signs, but these were a distance away
from the section of road I was parked on and had single yellow
lines. There were also sections of the road with double yellow
lines, however I was parked on a completely unmarked section of
the road with no signs.
At this point I went home and was confident that there had been
a mistake because even after looking around, there was nothing
to suggest restrictions in place where I had parked.
Upon returning home and on further investigation I have found
out that the street is in a large permit parking area, with
signs at entries to this large area (albeit not on the section
of road that I had parked on). I had not found these signs even
when walking around the area to look for signs after receiving a
ticket due to their distance from my parking location and
seeming irrelevance to the section of road I was actually parked
on.
After identifying this restriction online, I returned to the
area again retracing my steps and contend that the contravention
did not occur owing to the entry signage on my approach being
inadequate. There are no signposts on either end of this section
of the road from the mini roundabout down to the other end where
the road meets Nelson road to suggest that there are
restrictions which apply to this section of street. The signage
at the entrance to Wellington Road from the High Street was not
readily visible at the time of the alleged contravention. The
sign on the left-hand side of the carriageway has been turned
through approximately 90 degrees, rendering it effectively
invisible to drivers entering the road from this direction.
Having missed the obscured entry sign due to its condition and
identifying no signs or markings that indicated any parking
restrictions related to the unmarked section of road after
passing the mini roundabout, I reasonably concluded that this
area was unrestricted. I took care to observe the visible
parking restrictions on the road, noting areas marked with
double yellow lines and single yellow lines with accompanying
signage. I deliberately parked in a section with no road
markings and no visible signage indicating any restriction. In
the absence of road markings or visible signage, it was
reasonable to conclude that this section of the street was
unrestricted.
Upon researching further, I have identified that the permit
parking area in question does not conform to the Department for
Transport's Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3, which provides
guidance on the appropriate use of permit parking areas
designated by entry signs alone (without bay markings).
Paragraph 13.10.2 of the guidance states that this type of
signing is suitable for "a cul-de-sac or a small network of
roads with little or no through traffic" and warns that
"otherwise the lack of road markings might tempt drivers
unfamiliar with the area to park." Wellington Road is a through
road with a mini roundabout, not a cul-de-sac or small enclosed
network. The current arrangement covers a large zone of multiple
roads with unclear boundaries.
It is extremely difficult for drivers to identify that there is
a restriction at all unless you notice the signs at the
boundaries of this large section and then map out the boundaries
of the restriction area. Even had the entry signage been
visible, the application of this signing method to such a large
and complex area is inconsistent with the official guidance,
which anticipates its use only where drivers can reasonably be
expected to understand the extent of the restricted area.
As explained, there are clearly several issues with this charge
and I request that this is promptly cancelled to avoid causing
any further unfair and unwarranted disruption for something that
was the result of poor and inadequate signage.
I attach the following photographic and pictorial evidence:
1. Photograph showing vehicle parked outside the single yellow
line restricted area
2. Photograph showing vehicle parked outside the double yellow
line area
3. Photograph showing distance between vehicle and the single
yellow line restriction (Not included in the end)
4. Photograph of entry sign at Wellington Road/High Street
junction, showing sign rotated 90 degrees
5. Map of the permit parking zone (merged with photo 6 to keep
within 4 photo limit for redbridge site)
6. Department for Transport Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3
extract (Section 13.10 – Permit Parking Areas)
Here is the response:
[img width=600
height=796]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/UKWRcnx_xl.jpg[/img]
[img width=600
height=451]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/EFFixnM_xl.jpg[/img]
I assume I'm now waiting for a Notice to Owner?
#Post#: 107317--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wanstead, Redbridge PCN issued for car parked on a section o
f the road with no obvious parking restrictions
By: fraser.mitchell Date: January 25, 2026, 1:39 pm
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If you want to take it all the way to adjudication, yes.
#Post#: 107391--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wanstead, Redbridge PCN issued for car parked on a section o
f the road with no obvious parking restrictions
By: stamfordman Date: January 26, 2026, 7:29 am
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You didn't take up my suggested wording which focused up-front
on no contravention owing to inadequate entry signage for which
we have a case for, and instead made a too long challenge that
told a story that they are never going to read properly.
If you want to go on I suggest making more concise reps they
can't ignore although to be fair they often just reject with
template at this stage.
#Post#: 111526--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wanstead, Redbridge PCN issued for car parked on a section o
f the road with no obvious parking restrictions
By: Chr1s100 Date: February 28, 2026, 9:27 am
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Thanks Stamfordman,
I was trying to adapt my original appeal draft to be more like
your suggestion, I wasn't really clear on the difference you
were suggesting from my original and your proposed alternative
(i.e. I had already mentioned the "alleged contravention" and
the signage being inadequate, so it seemed like starting with
being puzzled was what you were recommending. I obviously
misunderstood that). As you mention, it seems like there is a
good chance they would reject either way, which they did.
I have now received the Notice to Owner which I attach below:
[img width=800
height=1062]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/5dgvgIL_xl.jpg[/img]
[img width=800
height=1062]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/y5iDbqp_xl.jpg[/img]
[img width=800
height=1062]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/t4peSdX_xl.jpg[/img]
[img width=800
height=1062]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/EIOEVDP_xl.jpg[/img]
I intend to make a representation online.
My proposed representation details are:
I was puzzled to receive the PCN as it appeared I had parked in
an unrestricted street. On further investigation I have found
that the street is in a large permit parking area, but on
retracing my steps I contend that the contravention did not
occur owing to the entry signage on my approach being
inadequate.
I entered Wellington Road from the High Street. The entry sign
on the left-hand side of the carriageway (the nearside for
drivers entering from this direction) has been rotated
approximately 90 degrees, rendering it not visible to
approaching drivers. I attach a photograph of this sign in its
rotated condition.
Sections of Wellington Road are marked with double yellow lines
and single yellow lines with accompanying signage. I parked in a
section with no road markings and no signage of any kind,
reasonably concluding it was unrestricted. I attach a photograph
of my car parked in an unsigned and unmarked area.
I further note that the Department for Transport's Traffic Signs
Manual Chapter 3, paragraph 13.10.2, states that permit parking
areas designated by entry signs alone (without bay markings) are
suitable for "a cul-de-sac or a small network of roads with
little or no through traffic." Wellington Road is a through road
with a mini roundabout. The application of entry-sign-only
designation to this large, complex zone covering multiple
through roads is inconsistent with this guidance, making it
inherently difficult for unfamiliar drivers to identify the
restriction.
==
I only expect to be able to attach 4 photos, below are the 4 I
am proposing to include - there is a 5th which shows the double
yellow lines but I think this is less relevant. There are other
photos in earlier posts which might be relevant. If any photos
taht should be included are not here, please let me know:
Photo 1 - Entry sign at Wellington Road/High Street junction
showing sign rotated ~90 degrees
[img width=800
height=1062]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/6nvig1B_xl.jpg[/img]
Photo 2 - Car clearly parked outside single yellow line
restricted area. Ahead, you can see a lamp post adjacent to the
single yellow line zone, this is where the Civil Enforcement
Officer's photo of signage is from:
[img width=800
height=1062]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/R9LlvX5_xl.jpg[/img]
Photo 3 - Parking restriction sign. This is the sign from the
Civil Enforcement Officer's photo which is in the distance in
photo 2:
[img width=800
height=1062]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/X3pDUH5_xl.jpg[/img]
Photo 4 - Map of the permit parking zone and extract from DfT
Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3, Section 13.10
[img width=800
height=436]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/Nfz8CTp_xl.jpeg[/img]
Photo 5 - Car parked outsize double yellow restricted area:
[img width=800
height=1062]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/2xRLD9J_xl.jpg[/img]
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