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Re: Kingston Upon Thames PCN 47j Stopped on a restricted bus
stop Location – Clarence Street
DIR By: Pauldon3576
Date: January 16, 2026, 1:08 pm
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Hi Hippocrates,
I have received a reply today in the post rejecting the
representation, please see below and let me know what you think!
Regards
Paul
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Re: Kingston Upon Thames PCN 47j Stopped on a restricted bus
stop Location – Clarence Street
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 16, 2026, 2:08 pm
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They have not considered the certificate issue. I'll balance
the issues. I lost a case the other day (may ask for a review)
in which the council provided a valid certificate but not a
witness statement. This is different and you had raised the
issue. There is always the grounds issue too. Life is getting
tougher at the moment with some adjudicators.
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Re: Kingston Upon Thames PCN 47j Stopped on a restricted bus
stop Location – Clarence Street
DIR By: Pauldon3576
Date: January 17, 2026, 1:52 pm
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Thanks Hippocrates.
They did ignore the cctv proof request and made no comment on
the single sign and lack of visibility at night.
I also notice that they replied stating a "moving" traffic
violation. Is this correct?
Do I presume the signage they have is correct and lawful?
Regards
Paul
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Re: Kingston Upon Thames PCN 47j Stopped on a restricted bus
stop Location – Clarence Street
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 18, 2026, 5:18 am
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The reference to a moving traffic contravention is, of course, a
blunder but not probably enough to convince an adjudicator to
allow the appeal.
The strongest points are the failure to consider the camera
issue and not provide proof of such. The "unable to cancel"
could be argued to fetter their discretion. And, the inadequate
grounds issue on the website.
If you want to meet up, I am speaking at this meeting re the
infamous Kingston Road box junction this coming Thursday. The
Press will be there.
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Re: Kingston Upon Thames PCN 47j Stopped on a restricted bus
stop Location – Clarence Street
DIR By: Pauldon3576
Date: February 11, 2026, 9:56 am
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Hi All,
I have decided to appeal to London tribunals and also asked RBK
for the 2nd time to strict proof that the camera has a valid
certificate.
They have replied in writing and simply said "please note that
the CCTV cameras are installed and operated by council and
therefore certified".
Now that my appeal date is set, they have since provided the
evidence of said camera to the tribunal!
If they had provided this to me in the first instance I may well
have decided not to appeal!
Am I likely to get any recognition of this from the appeal
tribunal? As my appeal grounds are now very thin.
I could do with some help in drafting my appeal in light of the
above information.
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Re: Kingston Upon Thames PCN 47j Stopped on a restricted bus
stop Location – Clarence Street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 11, 2026, 10:40 am
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I'm afraid this is how they ruthlessly game the system. However
worth mentioning to the adjudicator.
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Re: Kingston Upon Thames PCN 47j Stopped on a restricted bus
stop Location – Clarence Street
DIR By: Pauldon3576
Date: February 23, 2026, 9:24 am
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Hi All,
I could do with some help in drafting my appeal comments in
light of the above information!
With RBK referring just back to the 2004 act, does that mean
that all of my other queries about correct sign, visible signs
and length of bus stop are not valid? Or just being ignored.
Regards
P
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Re: Kingston Upon Thames PCN 47j Stopped on a restricted bus
stop Location – Clarence Street
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 23, 2026, 1:56 pm
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E mail me.
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Re: Kingston Upon Thames PCN 47j Stopped on a restricted bus
stop Location – Clarence Street
DIR By: Pauldon3576
Date: March 2, 2026, 9:33 am
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Hi All,
The appeal has been successful!
A big thank you to Hippocrates for his solid steer in the right
direction with regard to signage and all advice.
Your time was very much appreciated, as I was apprehensive about
challenging this PCN.
A big thumbs up to all at FTLA who assist and contribute.
Factors regarding the bus stop position after a sharp bend, the
length of bay, inadequate signage, pedestrians in play and
lighting were all acknowledged.
Ultimately the signage and markings in place were not
substantially compliant, clear and adequate for the site.
And despite 2 requests for them to supply the information, RBK
deliberately did not send me the camera evidence
(which they did indeed have and subsequently provided to the
tribunal). I voiced strong views about this behaviour.
Regards
P
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Re: Kingston Upon Thames PCN 47j Stopped on a restricted bus
stop Location – Clarence Street
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: March 2, 2026, 10:05 am
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Brilliant and you had one of the best adjudicators too.
2260070912.
Did they provide a witness statement?
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