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#Post#: 104152--------------------------------------------------
National Parking Management Ltd (NPM) - No Permit - Jasmine Way
(Private Land), Rugby
DIR By: iiAdaaamV1
Date: December 31, 2025, 5:17 am
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Hello
Seeking further advice after reading forum posts here and on
MSE.
I received a PCN for parking on Jasmine Way in Bilton, Rugby
which I am NOW aware is private land. This road only has
residential homes.
I say "now aware" because I have parked up on this road many
times in the past, to visit the Post Office around the corner,
never staying any longer than 5 minutes. The road name signs do
say Private Land. For this first one, the car was also parked on
double yellows.
There are NEW signs warning drivers not to park for any amount
of time or they will be fined. There is no information about the
landowner, only NPM details.
I am going to receive a second PCN, as the driver of the vehicle
subsequently parked there a week later to again attend the post
office. It wasn't until leaving the second time that the driver
noticed the new no parking signs. The second PCN has not come
through yet, likely due to seasonal postage delays, but as there
is no grace period allowed for the parking, it is almost
certainly due to arrive at any moment. The second time, the car
was NOT parked on double yellows.
The first stay is clocked in at about 22 minutes, this was due
to hold ups at the post office. This is an abnormal stay time
for the driver. The second stay will be a little over 10
minutes, again due to longer queues at the post office.
The PCN is for £100 or £60 if paid early, so combining with the
second PCN due to arrive, there is a total cost of £120 or £200
if not paid within the "discount" period. All for a total of
about 30 minutes parking.
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I've already appealed the first PCN, following the guidance from
MSE forums; naturally, this was rejected by NPM.
I'm now stuck with how to proceed. Despite the MSE forums claims
that c99% of claims are thrown out, I have doubts I would be
successful at county court.
My argument would be that it is unfair (again referencing one of
the "reasons" that MSE posts say PCNs can be fought with);
1. Very recent changes that the driver genuinely was unaware of,
as they had parked there many times in the past
2. Extortionate charges for the amount of time the car was
parked, as well as not blocking any residents or other cars,
vans etc
3. The area is notorious for having no areas to park. There is a
little Tesco further up the road which at the time its car park
was completely full. There are parking bays across the road from
Jasmine Way in front of a pharmacy, which are also full almost
all of the time. There is a Co-Op further down the road which is
busy too, though it was not checked on these occasions whether
there were spaces. The driver would have had no other option to
park in other areas that were within an appropriate distance.
Do I have any leg to stand on? I simply cannot afford to pay
one, let alone both of these PCNs, hence why I'm fighting this,
but I don't see the court going in my favour given the few signs
that are now in place and the driver just did not notice.
~A
#Post#: 104154--------------------------------------------------
Re: National Parking Management Ltd (NPM) - No Permit - Jasmine
Way (Private Land), Rugby
DIR By: jfollows
Date: December 31, 2025, 5:53 am
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Devil’s advocate:
- Recent changes are only important if not communicated, so if
there are clear and unambiguous signs defining the new terms,
what used to be the case is not important.
- The Supreme Court ruled that charges do not need to reflect a
loss, in the Beavis case.
- So what if there’s nowhere else to park easily?
#Post#: 104164--------------------------------------------------
Re: National Parking Management Ltd (NPM) - No Permit - Jasmine
Way (Private Land), Rugby
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: December 31, 2025, 6:40 am
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We need to see the back of the PCN - I may not be PoFA
compliant.
Has the driver been revealed? You say that you had guidance -
all guidance is not to reveal the driver.
#Post#: 104169--------------------------------------------------
Re: National Parking Management Ltd (NPM) - No Permit - Jasmine
Way (Private Land), Rugby
DIR By: iiAdaaamV1
Date: December 31, 2025, 7:07 am
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I have not revealed the driver.
I can show the back when I return home, however it’s the
standard “go to this website to pay or appeal” and that’s about
it.
#Post#: 104173--------------------------------------------------
Re: National Parking Management Ltd (NPM) - No Permit - Jasmine
Way (Private Land), Rugby
DIR By: jfollows
Date: December 31, 2025, 8:19 am
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With respect, you may be missing the point here.
The back of the PCN may show compliance or otherwise with PoFA
2012 in which the registered keeper may or may not be liable for
the infraction of the unknown driver. Without seeing it we can’t
know.
#Post#: 104176--------------------------------------------------
Re: National Parking Management Ltd (NPM) - No Permit - Jasmine
Way (Private Land), Rugby
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: December 31, 2025, 8:59 am
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Yebbut it's got nothing to do with the 'opimistic' defences the
OP is interested in running. ::)
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Re: National Parking Management Ltd (NPM) - No Permit - Jasmine
Way (Private Land), Rugby
DIR By: jfollows
Date: December 31, 2025, 9:06 am
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True. :)
#Post#: 104178--------------------------------------------------
Re: National Parking Management Ltd (NPM) - No Permit - Jasmine
Way (Private Land), Rugby
DIR By: iiAdaaamV1
Date: December 31, 2025, 9:08 am
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--- Quote from: andy_foster link ---
>
> Yebbut it's got nothing to do with the 'opimistic' defences
the OP is interested in running. ::)
>
--- End Quote ---
I mean, there’s no need for the sarcasm… I’m just seeking advice
and the comments so far confirmed my thoughts. MSE forum posts
weren’t so straight forward as they claimed to be.
#Post#: 104194--------------------------------------------------
Re: National Parking Management Ltd (NPM) - No Permit - Jasmine
Way (Private Land), Rugby
DIR By: b789
Date: December 31, 2025, 12:53 pm
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You seem to be under the impression that if this were to
progress to a county court claim that you would lose. As per the
MSE forum (where I also advise), the vast majority of claims
never reach a hearing as they are more likely to be struck out
or discontinued.
NPM usually use the utterly incompetent Gladstones for their
claims and I can guarantee you that any claim issued by Gladrags
will be in breach of CPR 16.4(1)(a) which means it is highly
likely to be struck out, because of their failure to specify a
cause of action in the Particulars of Claim (PoC).
According to GSV, as of July this year, there was no compliant
entrance sign to the private road which means that if any new
parking enforcement regime was introduced within the last 4
months, NPM were required not only to have an entrance sign that
complies with the requirements of the PPSCoP, but to also have
additional signs that highlight that there has been a material
change to any parking terms and conditions.
I'm assuming you parked on Jasmine way to visit the businesses
on The Green and Main Street. Just because the street sign at
Jasmine way says it is private land, does not form a contract
with the driver and NPM. There must be a clear sign informing
drivers that they are entering private land that is controlled
nd to seek signs that contain the terms and conditions. Without
that, there is no contract formation with the driver.
The double yellow lines are irrelevant to the Highway Code when
parked on private land. Any terms and conditions signs must
explain that parking is not permitted on DYL's and those terms
signs must be prominent and easy to find.
Can you get any contemporaneous photos of an entrance sign and
any terms and conditions sign near where the driver parked?
(outside #1) Show us the other photos they claim they have on
their website.
#Post#: 104195--------------------------------------------------
Re: National Parking Management Ltd (NPM) - No Permit - Jasmine
Way (Private Land), Rugby
DIR By: iiAdaaamV1
Date: December 31, 2025, 1:10 pm
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--- Quote from: InterCity125 link ---
>
> We need to see the back of the PCN - I may not be PoFA
compliant.
>
> Has the driver been revealed? You say that you had guidance -
all guidance is not to reveal the driver.
>
--- End Quote ---
Here’s a pic of the back
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