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City of Westminster - parked in a residents' or shared use
parking place - Seymour street, London
DIR By: mbagheri
Date: December 31, 2025, 3:37 am
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Hi,
A few days ago, I parked my car on a street in the Westminster
area on a Sunday. While parking, I checked the sign on the
opposite side of the street, which stated that parking
restrictions applied only from Monday to Friday. When I
returned, I found that my car had been issued a fine. I noticed
that the parking restrictions on the side of the street where I
had parked were different and required a residents’ permit. I
made this mistake for two reasons: first, the most visible sign
from where I parked was the one on the opposite side of the
street, and I was not aware that parking restrictions could
differ between the two sides of the same road; second, the
residents’ permit sign for my side of the street was positioned
further down the road and was not visible from where I had
parked.
Is there any way to challenge this penalty? :'(
Notice images:
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/oawHmmw_xl.jpg
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/3K2Lzyd_xl.jpg
Location:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/kYMPnr4GSwiLjbHa6
Many thanks.
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Re: Parking Ticket
DIR By: jfollows
Date: December 31, 2025, 3:43 am
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I have reported to the moderators because this should be in the
Civil penalty section; I’m sure one of them will move it there.
#Post#: 104144--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking Ticket
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: December 31, 2025, 3:55 am
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Reading the "READ THIS FIRST" sticky in the appropriate
subforum, and then posting appropriately in that subforum would
have been a good start.
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Re: Parking Ticket
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: December 31, 2025, 6:01 am
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As usual, for meaningful advice please have a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post up here
(use
ibb.co
HTML https://imgbb.com/
or
HTML https://imgpile.com/
for posting images.
Wherever possible, use the BBCode.)
both sides of the unredacted PCN ( - leave everything in),
a GSV link to the location,
and any council photos/video.
#Post#: 104202--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking Ticket - City of Westminster
DIR By: mbagheri
Date: December 31, 2025, 3:25 pm
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thanks, all done - I updated the original post
#Post#: 104209--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster - parked in a residents' or shared use
parking place - Seymour street, London
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 31, 2025, 6:05 pm
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Basically your lack of knowledge on the signing of parking bays
and their restrictions has caused you to get a PCN, so it's
difficult to think of any credible appeal based on the
contravention itself.
However, I'm struggling with GSV, because you say you parked in
a bay which was residents only all days, but saw a sign opposite
that gave Mon-Sat restrictions only. Yet when I look at the
location, I see the sign in this bay which is all days 8.30am to
8.30. WIth no days specified it means all days: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/iEAJfxmPxEvd16Uh6
Then, going across to the bay on the other side of the street
there's a ruddy great van blocking the view of the sign ! So
looking a the previous GSV view (Nov 2022), the sign says
residents only Mon-Sun, (i.e all days), 8.30am to 8.30 pm, se
essentially the same restrictions both sides. This begs the
question of what does this sign say now in 2025 ? Has it been
changed to Mon-Sat like you said ?
Anyway, at the moment I see no credible appeal option, (at
London Tribunals). The council will refuse all your reps
informal and formal stating that the PCN was correctly served.
On the other hand there may be a possible 'technical' appeal
based on Westminster mismanagement of the enforcement process,
so before you pay the discount, wait a bit to see what turns up.
Some councils have made major cock-ups with their webpages and
appeals have been won on this.
#Post#: 104217--------------------------------------------------
Re: City of Westminster - parked in a residents' or shared use
parking place - Seymour street, London
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: January 1, 2026, 6:11 am
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You were in a 24/7 resident bay but oddly the CEO didn't include
a pic of one of the three signs in the bay - two are really not
far from where you parked. You can just see one of them behind
your car.
I can't see anything to go on except an ask for discretion - any
mitigation?
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/GRUQjKbwu2VGAUnN6
HTML https://i.ibb.co/tP1ZVGPx/w1.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/0jjkhbpD/w2.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/B5vXnCfh/w3.jpg
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Re: City of Westminster - parked in a residents' or shared use
parking place - Seymour street, London
DIR By: sahandnaz
Date: January 4, 2026, 5:12 pm
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Surely this is an easy win, argue there is no signage proving
that the car was parked in a residents only bay. It is upon the
council to prove that it was parked exactly in a zone which was
residents only correct? And for the Council to map the location
and prove it was definitely in a residents only bay is going to
be too much work for the council and possibly impossible to
prove, so they will pull out just before the tribunal date.
As per this situation where Joe Lycett got out of a similar
fine:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gkiw7zpULo
Could @hippocrates or @cp8759 assess please?
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Re: City of Westminster - parked in a residents' or shared use
parking place - Seymour street, London
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 4, 2026, 6:51 pm
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No, it is not an easy win. The bay has a sign but the OP didn't
understand the regulations on bay restriction signing, and
looked at the sign on the opposite side of the street instead of
looking along the bay for the applicable sign. Signs only apply
to the side of the street they are on. Westminster will reject
the representations, and probably re-offer the discount, and
the OP will either have to take them to London Tribunals with
the full PCN penalty in play or pay-up.
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