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#Post#: 103997--------------------------------------------------
Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
DIR By: timewilltell
Date: December 29, 2025, 10:58 am
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I’ve received a PCN from Lambeth (code 52, no motor vehicles) at
Kennington Oval.
I’m unfamiliar with the area and this is my first PCN from
Lambeth. There was no intention to disregard any restriction.
The council’s photos and video show “No Motor Vehicles” signs
positioned on both the left and right at the entry point. I've
matched the buildings and trees in the PCN stills to Clayton
Street on Google Street View so I think the contravention
occurred on Clayton Street, although the PCN lists the location
as “Kennington Oval”.
I couldn’t see any advance warning signage on street view and I
think the restriction only becomes apparent at the point of
entry itself. I'm not 100% sure on this but by the time the
signs were visible, I was already committed to the turn and
stopping or reversing would have been unsafe and impractical.
I appreciate that satnav routing is not a defence and I’m not
relying on that as a ground of appeal but it explains why I was
routed there as an unfamiliar driver.
Having seen the wording on Lambeth’s website trying to put
drivers off appealing, I’m expecting them to reject any informal
challenge and understand this would likely need to go to
tribunal. My question is whether there are realistic grounds to
contest this on signage adequacy/point-of-no-return grounds at
this location or whether it would be wiser to pay at the
discount stage.
Any guidance appreciated. Thanks!
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#Post#: 104002--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 29, 2025, 11:25 am
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If you drove up Clayton St and turned left, you would have
passed these No Entry signs:-
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/d1Mv4qopFjGqK4hB8
GSV view is dated August 2025; are they still there ? One can
see the Flying Motorbike signs to the left, but you shouldn't
have even started the turn assuming the No Entry signs are still
there. In addition, as you turn in to CLayton St from Kennington
Road, there are cul-de-sac signs each side of the street:-
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/rr2m2hA3XY2cQmwx8
So, all in all, you can now see how use of a satnav in London is
fraught with risk, being never up-to-date. When was the last
time yours was updated ?
I see no credible appeal argument for the contravention itself,
but appeals have been won in recent times based on council
mismanagement of the enforcement process, so wait a bit to see
what may be suggested. Councils have recently set-up some
appalling websites for submitting representations, and wins have
been just on this.
#Post#: 104009--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
DIR By: timewilltell
Date: December 29, 2025, 1:23 pm
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Thanks for replying and sharing those GSVs
[member=12]Incandescent[/member].
--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> If you drove up Clayton St and turned left, you would have
passed these No Entry signs:-
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/d1Mv4qopFjGqK4hB8
> GSV view is dated August 2025; are they still there ? One can
see the Flying Motorbike signs to the left, but you shouldn't
have even started the turn assuming the No Entry signs are still
there. In addition, as you turn in to CLayton St from Kennington
Road, there are cul-de-sac signs each side of the street:-
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/rr2m2hA3XY2cQmwx8
>
--- End Quote ---
Looking again, I definitely didn't pass no entry signs and don't
think I drove along Clayton St and turned left. I was coming
from SW11 and remember coming round the oval itself so I think I
must have gone past Clayton St (to my left) and carried on
going.
--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> So, all in all, you can now see how use of a satnav in London
is fraught with risk, being never up-to-date. When was the last
time yours was updated ?
--- End Quote ---
Fraught with risk indeed! I know the traffic was very heavy that
day and my satnav thought it was helping by taking me on a
"better" route :/ Clearly, it's not as up-to-date as it needs to
be!
--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> I see no credible appeal argument for the contravention
itself, but appeals have been won in recent times based on
council mismanagement of the enforcement process, so wait a bit
to see what may be suggested. Councils have recently set-up some
appalling websites for submitting representations, and wins have
been just on this.
>
--- End Quote ---
Ok thank you, I have a couple of days before the deadline so
I'll see if anything's suggested.
#Post#: 104020--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 29, 2025, 5:34 pm
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Problem with giving advice is we rely on OPs giving a route. In
your case you implied you drove up Clayton St, although clearly
I shouldn't have read that into your text.
So, please tell us your route. We also have to rely on GSV,
which while useful can be very out-of-date at many locations.
However, if your satnav directed you round the Oval in a
clockwise direction, GSV shows a mandatory turn left sign as you
approach Clayton Street:-
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/72UKGDT54JQU2xFZ8
You can also see the 'Flying Motorbike' signs on the Oval in the
distance. So you should have turned left into Clayton Street.
#Post#: 104051--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 30, 2025, 5:15 am
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Back to the website: what are the dates re increase? Please
screenshot.
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Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
DIR By: timewilltell
Date: December 30, 2025, 9:10 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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> Back to the website: what are the dates re increase? Please
screenshot.
>
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Thanks Hippocrates. Is this what you're referring to?
HTML https://i.ibb.co/C5VpFfr6/PCN-LJ35496430-Increase-Date.jpg
#Post#: 104605--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
DIR By: timewilltell
Date: January 5, 2026, 6:05 am
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--- Quote from: timewilltell link ---
>
> [quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=9304.msg104051#msg104051
date=1767093317]
> Back to the website: what are the dates re increase? Please
screenshot.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks Hippocrates. Is this what you're referring to?
HTML https://i.ibb.co/C5VpFfr6/PCN-LJ35496430-Increase-Date.jpg
[/quote]
[member=24]Hippocrates[/member]
Firstly, Happy New Year to you!
My PCN is still at discount stage but increases to £160 tomorrow
(6 Jan).
I'd appreciate guidance on whether I can appeal this or need to
pay (presumably by the end of today before it increases).
If you need further screenshots or information, please let me
know.
Thanks for your help!
#Post#: 104608--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 5, 2026, 6:16 am
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Please check the increase date with the PCN.
#Post#: 104611--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
DIR By: timewilltell
Date: January 5, 2026, 6:26 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> Please check the increase date with the PCN.
>
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Thanks for the quick reply [member=24]Hippocrates[/member]
The online date is longer than shown on the PCN itself. I
wondered if they added extra days on to allow for Christmas and
new year - or is it an error? It's very confusing :/
Online: 17.12.25 to 6.1.26 = 20 days
PCN: 17.12.25 to 31.12.25 = 14 days
The PCN states:
"The amount of penalty charge which is payable is £160. The
penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28
days beginning with the date of the notice.
If the penalty charge is paid before the end of the period of 14
days beginning with the date of the notice, the amount of the
penalty charge will be reduced by 50% to £80."
#Post#: 104618--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 5, 2026, 7:21 am
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Exactly which is why we win on their website. It gets worse
further down the line actually. Prod me for a draft
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