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Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before
it ended
DIR By: user786
Date: December 30, 2025, 6:01 pm
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which grounds does will i need to appeal to traffic tribunal ?
is it ground 6 there has been a procedural impropriety?
(Failure to follow policy: The enforcement authority did not
adhere to its own published policies or the Secretary of State's
statutory guidance)
#Post#: 104158--------------------------------------------------
Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before
it ended
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: December 31, 2025, 6:16 am
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What time did you park
What did you do after parking
Did you see the CEO
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Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before
it ended
DIR By: user786
Date: December 31, 2025, 4:25 pm
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would have been just before 9.15 , walked to sign , saw it said
9.15 so crossed over to shop
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Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before
it ended
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: January 1, 2026, 6:13 am
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So did you check the time on car clock or watch/phone when you
parked before also checking sign?
Or did you go to sign and check time then? And with what?
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Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before
it ended
DIR By: user786
Date: January 2, 2026, 3:51 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> So did you check the time on car clock or watch/phone when you
parked before also checking sign?
>
> Or did you go to sign and check time then? And with what?
>
--- End Quote ---
on my phone was 9.15 . so didnt expect a problem and carried on
. when got back and saw ticket was confused , when i checked the
council evidence later that day , saw the officer had taken the
1st pic 15 seconds prior to restriction ending , half the
pictures were taken after 9.15 when i was legal . its the
extreme short time that annoyed me, and i found unfair .
#Post#: 104305--------------------------------------------------
Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before
it ended
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: January 2, 2026, 7:55 am
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You made this far too complicated.
If it was as simple as you parked, got out and checked sign and
phone and both said 9:15 that's all there is. You are entitled
to check the parking sign.
If so I would go on to NTO stage.
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Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before
it ended
DIR By: user786
Date: January 2, 2026, 12:52 pm
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yep i agree , i assumed i was allowed to check the sign , But
the council disagree and are Saying 02 contraventions allow 0
seconds grace . and no grounds to drop the ticket .
they have sent a second letter also which i attach
HTML https://postimg.cc/gallery/WtN2c1D
HTML https://postimg.cc/gallery/WtN2c1D
Lets see how fair the tribunal people are , worse case im extra
£35 quid out of pocket .
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Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before
it ended
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: January 2, 2026, 1:41 pm
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The next stage is an NTO, not tribunal.
Why did you contact them again and what did you say?
Is your logbook up to date?
The most you can pay is £70 if you lose at the tribunal.
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Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before
it ended
DIR By: user786
Date: January 3, 2026, 5:23 pm
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> The next stage is an NTO, not tribunal.
>
> Why did you contact them again and what did you say?
>
> Is your logbook up to date?
>
> The most you can pay is £70 if you lose at the tribunal.
>
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i sent the following
Dear Miss Nurun Begum,
I am writing in response to your recent email regarding Penalty
Charge Notice BM4454
I am dissatisfied with the response, as it appears to be a
generic, template-based rejection and does not engage with the
specific points I raised in my original representations. In
particular:
I had not parked; I had momentarily stopped to check the signage
safely on a busy road.
The timing of the alleged contravention was 09:14:45, just 15
seconds before the restriction ended at 09:15.
The Civil Enforcement Officer provided seven photographs, three
of which were taken after 09:15, when parking was legally
permitted. This raises questions as to whether the officer was
aware of the correct restriction timings.
The CEO’s photograph of the sign is unclear and difficult to
read, requiring digital zoom. In contrast, the photograph I
submitted clearly shows that parking is permitted after 09:15,
demonstrating that the council’s evidence is not reliable.
I also submitted two photographs taken while standing outside my
vehicle to show that the signs cannot be easily read from a
distance, particularly if a vehicle is not parked directly in
front of them. This demonstrates that it is reasonable to allow
a brief period for the driver to examine the signs, and that
issuing a PCN seconds before the restriction ends, while the
driver is checking, is premature and unfair.
The two restriction signs are not legible from the driver’s
seat, requiring a momentary stop to confirm the restriction,
which I carried out safely.
The council failed to properly exercise discretion, contrary to
Birmingham City Council’s Civil Parking Enforcement Guidelines
(including MC25).
The informal response does not address these substantive points
and instead relies on generic statements about signage approval,
zero-time contraventions, and the general responsibility of
motorists.
I respectfully request that my representations be properly
considered, taking into account the evidence and circumstances I
have provided. If the council maintains that there are no
grounds to cancel the PCN, I will have no alternative but to
escalate this matter to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for
independent adjudication.
yeh logbook is ok
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Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before
it ended
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: January 4, 2026, 5:08 am
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I would wait for the NTO.
I see you referred to Birmingham's policy doc - in London there
is guidance not to ticket within two mins of a restriction
ending or beginning, so indeed it is reasonable to hold them to
some 'grace' at this minute before, although no observation is
needed otherwise.
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