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#Post#: 103750--------------------------------------------------
Received a SJPN today out of nowhere and unsure of how to procee
d.
By: PirateAndy Date: December 24, 2025, 12:00 pm
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So this evening, I came back from work to a large white letter
from the Fixed Pentalty Unit stating I was caught speeding in a
30mph area from back in June of this year.
I'm not necessarily disputing I was speeding as I may have done,
I don't know, because this is the first I've heard of it.
However, Northumbria Police state they've sent me letters
requesting who was the driver and I've never received anything
until today on this. I've not moved house during the time-frame
covered by the document I've received to now. So, I'm at a loss
as to how I've not received up to two letters asking for further
info from me.
Also, I don't know if this is standard but there is no evidence
other than a witness statement from someone in Northumbria
Police about sending me letters.
Not sure what to do on this as now they are looking to do me for
speeding and failing to identify the driver. Which I would've
done if I'd actually received the letters.
My V5C is up to date, I just checked. I moved house back in Dec
2024 but have had a Royal Mail Redirection Order set up so all
stray mail gets redirected to my new house. I should've received
the original NIP but I didn't, so I don't have the ref. number
from it, so I can't even check on the police website for the
evidence they hold for the speeding.
I am the only driver of my vehicle. No one else has access...
But I also don't have access to any footage or images of the
alleged offense to see if it was indeed my vehicle or someone
spoofing my plates.
I've gone part way through the online.plea website to see if the
URN number provided is genuine and it seems to be.
I have read on a couple of posts on this forum that pleading not
guilty and explaining I am willing to change my plea to the
speeding to guilty if they drop the failure to ID the driver
charge works more often than not. Is that true?
I probably was caught speeding in the grand scheme of things, I
will say fair play to that one. I likely have no choice but to
plead guilty to that part in the finish, but I'd rather not be
done for something I didn't even know about until about an hour
ago if I can at all help it.
So unless anyone has a better idea I'm going to initially plead
not guilty to both charges and then when it asks for the reasons
I am intending to write the following:
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Offense 1: The Speeding
I am willing to plead guilty to this offense if the charge for
the second offense of failing to give information is dropped. I
outline the reasons for this more fully in my reply to the
second offense. Please see below:
Offense 2: Failure to ID driver
I have not received any correspondence regarding the speeding
offense until today 24/12/2025 with the reciept of the SJPN with
case No.: ###########. My V5C is up to date with my current
address, and though I moved house in Dec of 2024 I have had a
Royal Mail Redirection Order set up to receive any
correspondence that may mistakenly be sent to the old address.
Therefore I have not seen any of the evidence provided in the
original NIP as I never received the original NIP. If I had
done, I would've complied with the request to identify the
driver of the vehicle at the time of the original offense
without delay.
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So any advice would be good right about now, thanks.
#Post#: 103770--------------------------------------------------
Re: Received a SJPN today out of nowhere and unsure of how to pr
oceed.
By: andy_foster Date: December 24, 2025, 5:05 pm
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Statistically (because 86% of all statistics are simply made
up), when a poster tells us that they received an SJPN out of
the blue, with no NIP or reminder received, despite being the
RK, with no apparent history of postal issues, the possible
explanations, in order of likelihood are as follows-
The OP was 'mistaken' either about the notices not being
delivered or being the RK at the material time,
the FPSU c*cked up, or
Postman Pat stole both the NIP and the reminder to tear up to
make some bedding for Jess, but had finished before the SJPN was
sent.
Historically, there has been much anecdotal evidence to suggest
that redirects are often not effective for NIPs (or at all).
The obvious gap in the story is that you presumably moved house
around December 2024, updated the address on your V5C at some
unspecified point between December 2024 and December 2025, and
the alleged speeding offence was most likely early to mid June
2025 based on the timing of the SJPN.
The date the current V5C was issued should be printed on the V5C
at the bottom of page 2, after the DocRefNo. You can also check
by doing a vehicle check against the VRM on the DVLA's website
(if the V5C is not to hand). From previous experience, we will
remain skeptical of any claim to be the RK from anyone who
cannot lay their hands on the V5C.
If the V5C was not updated before the offence, that does not
help you form a viable defence, but it does take the mystery out
of the equation.
Does the witness statement state what address the NIP and
reminder were sent to? Despite telling us that no other evidence
was provided (than the witness statement), was a copy of the NIP
included (and if so, was it addressed to your current address)?
On the assumption that no viable defence sneaks down the chimney
tonight, the plea deal is commonplace, and to the best of our
knowledge has only failed when the accused either
unconditionally plead guilty in the hope that the s. 172 charge
would vanish of its own accord (in some cases it is
automatically dropped, but in others it hasn't been), or went
out of his way to tell the prosecutor what was what.
Some courts will deal with a plea deal on the papers, and others
will refer it to a full court hearing. However, if the court is
paying attention, it should not accept a guilty plea if a
defence [to that charge] is disclosed. Your defence to the s.
172 charge (which they invite you to indicate, but at this stage
you are under no obligation to do) discloses a defence to the
speeding charge.
#Post#: 103771--------------------------------------------------
Re: Received a SJPN today out of nowhere and unsure of how to pr
oceed.
By: PirateAndy Date: December 24, 2025, 5:49 pm
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[quote author=andy_foster link=topic=9273.msg103770#msg103770
date=1766617535]
Statistically (because 86% of all statistics are simply made
up), when a poster tells us that they received an SJPN out of
the blue, with no NIP or reminder received, despite being the
RK, with no apparent history of postal issues, the possible
explanations, in order of likelihood are as follows-
The OP was 'mistaken' either about the notices not being
delivered or being the RK at the material time,
the FPSU c*cked up, or
Postman Pat stole both the NIP and the reminder to tear up to
make some bedding for Jess, but had finished before the SJPN was
sent.
Historically, there has been much anecdotal evidence to suggest
that redirects are often not effective for NIPs (or at all).
The obvious gap in the story is that you presumably moved house
around December 2024, updated the address on your V5C at some
unspecified point between December 2024 and December 2025, and
the alleged speeding offence was most likely early to mid June
2025 based on the timing of the SJPN.
The date the current V5C was issued should be printed on the V5C
at the bottom of page 2, after the DocRefNo. You can also check
by doing a vehicle check against the VRM on the DVLA's website
(if the V5C is not to hand). From previous experience, we will
remain skeptical of any claim to be the RK from anyone who
cannot lay their hands on the V5C.
If the V5C was not updated before the offence, that does not
help you form a viable defence, but it does take the mystery out
of the equation.
Does the witness statement state what address the NIP and
reminder were sent to? Despite telling us that no other evidence
was provided (than the witness statement), was a copy of the NIP
included (and if so, was it addressed to your current address)?
On the assumption that no viable defence sneaks down the chimney
tonight, the plea deal is commonplace, and to the best of our
knowledge has only failed when the accused either
unconditionally plead guilty in the hope that the s. 172 charge
would vanish of its own accord (in some cases it is
automatically dropped, but in others it hasn't been), or went
out of his way to tell the prosecutor what was what.
Some courts will deal with a plea deal on the papers, and others
will refer it to a full court hearing. However, if the court is
paying attention, it should not accept a guilty plea if a
defence [to that charge] is disclosed. Your defence to the s.
172 charge (which they invite you to indicate, but at this stage
you are under no obligation to do) discloses a defence to the
speeding charge.
[/quote]
The V5C was updated on 14/12/2024, 2 weeks after I moved. Both
the Document and the DVLA website confirm this.
The witness statement states my correct, current address was
used to send correspondence. No copy of the NIP is present in
the pack I got.
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