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Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) - no
recollection of stopping
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: December 27, 2025, 4:01 am
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So the alleged contravention appears to have occurred on an
access road which we believe is not relevant land for PoFA - so
they have no ability to hold the keeper liable - the only person
who can be held liable is the unknown driver - there is no way
they can ever find out the driver details because there is no
legal obligation for the keeper to provide that information to
an unregulated parking operator.
Further, the pictures show a vehicle stopped on a double yellow
line - double yellow lines do not mean 'no stopping' - so the
'signage' is not consistent across the site assuming that they
are alleging some kind of breach of contract based on the
drivers agreement as they entered the site.
Also, their PCN NtK is in breach of the parking operators code
of conduct as the NtK clearly attempts to mislead the keeper
into believing that the keeper could be held liable for the
charge when no such liability can ever exist.
A breach of the CoC is automatically a breach of the DVLA KADOE
agreement.
Wait for a further update regarding the precise wording to use
in any appeal.
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Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) - no
recollection of stopping
DIR By: b789
Date: December 27, 2025, 9:59 am
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I have looked carefully at the UKCPS notice, the signage, and
the status of the location, and I want to explain why the claim
they are making is fundamentally flawed.
The road (Princes Square) where this was issued is part of the
railway estate owned by Network Rail. At the time of the alleged
event, land forming part of the railway estate was subject to
statutory control through railway byelaws and was therefore not
“relevant land” for the purposes of the Protection of Freedoms
Act 2012. Because of that, UKCPS could not rely on PoFA to
transfer liability from the unknown driver to the known
registered keeper, regardless of the fact that their Notice to
Keeper is headed “Postal – PoFA”. Keeper liability simply did
not arise on railway land at the time of this incident, and any
suggestion otherwise is misleading.
There has since been a legislative change, taking effect from 26
December 2025, which alters the definition of relevant land so
that certain railway land may fall within PoFA going forward.
However, that change is not retrospective. The applicable law is
the law in force on the date of the alleged event. As this
incident predates 26 December 2025, the change does not apply
here and cannot be relied upon by UKCPS to create keeper
liability after the fact.
The signage at the location is also contradictory and incapable
of creating clear contractual terms. There is no PPSCoP- or IPC
Code of Practice-compliant entrance sign to the station estate
or to Princes Square itself. The only identifiable compliant
entrance sign is positioned as drivers turn off Princes Square
into the station forecourt and is specific to that forecourt
area alone, not to the wider station estate or Princes Square
roadway. That sign states “Private Land – Pick up & drop off
only” and directs drivers to see signage within the
pick-up/drop-off area for further terms. It therefore expressly
permits stopping for the purpose of picking up or dropping off
passengers, which necessarily involves stopping, even if only
briefly. This permission cannot be reconciled with the separate
repeater signs along Princes Square stating “No Stopping – £100
charge”, which purport to impose an absolute prohibition. Taken
together, the signage is fragmented and internally inconsistent,
and does not communicate any clear or coherent set of
contractual terms to a driver.
Separately and in any event, a “No Stopping” sign is inherently
prohibitive in nature. It does not make an offer capable of
acceptance. A contract requires an offer and acceptance, and a
sign that simply bans an activity does not offer permission to
carry it out on terms. Where stopping is forbidden outright,
there is nothing a driver can accept and no contractual licence
being granted. At most, such signage could give rise to an
allegation of trespass, which is a matter solely for the
landholder and does not entitle a private parking company to
impose a fixed contractual charge.
There is also a basic defect in the Notice to Keeper itself. It
does not specify any period of parking. It provides only a
single “time of issue”. A single timestamp is not a period.
Despite this, the notice claims that the charge relates to “the
period of parking specified above”, when no such period exists.
That alone defeats any attempt to rely on PoFA, even on land
where PoFA might otherwise apply.
The positioning of the signage further undermines their case.
The alleged “No Stopping” sign is placed as drivers leave a
public highway roundabout and enter Princes Square, and it runs
parallel to the direction of travel. That placement does not
give a driver a fair opportunity to read, understand, and
consider terms before any alleged breach. Terms cannot be
accepted if they are not reasonably communicated in advance.
It is also important to be clear about what actually happened.
Stopping for a few seconds to check where you are or to look at
directions is not the same as waiting or parking. Double yellow
lines prohibit waiting, not stopping. The Highway Code makes a
clear distinction between the two. Waiting means remaining in
place for longer than is needed for the normal flow of traffic.
A brief stop to orient yourself, check a sign, or confirm a
turning is part of normal and safe driving and is not treated as
waiting.
Even where there are double kerb blips, the restriction is only
on loading and unloading. It does not create a no-stopping
restriction. A genuine no-stopping restriction requires a
clearway, a red route, or a specific no-stopping order backed by
a Traffic Regulation Order. Without that, the law does not
prohibit a momentary stop to check directions.
Private parking companies often try to pretend that any pause
equals prohibited stopping, but that is not how road markings
work and not how the Highway Code defines these restrictions. A
momentary stop to check your location is simply not the kind of
behaviour these restrictions are designed to regulate.
The overall position is that this was railway estate land where
PoFA did not apply at the relevant time, the entrance signage
expressly permits stopping for pick-up and drop-off, the signage
relied upon by UKCPS is contradictory and prohibitive and
incapable of forming a contract, the Notice to Keeper does not
specify a period of parking, and the alleged conduct amounts to
nothing more than a brief, lawful stop that forms part of normal
driving. You should deal with this strictly as the registered
keeper and you should not identify the driver.
So, the advice about the initial appeal still stands. We can
make a clearer argument in the secondary appeal to the IAS,
although that is not "independent" and is also not likely to be
successful for the simple fact that you are now in the middle of
a scam. That does not mean we don't try but, realistically, this
would be easily defeated if they try to progress it to
litigation in the county court as a small claim. There is no way
they would let this progress to a hearing as they know they
would be spanked.
Their MO is to hope that you are low-hanging fruit on the
gullible tree and can be intimidated into paying out of
ignorance and fear. That is the truth behind how these
bottom-dwelling firms operate. Submit the appeal and come back
when they reject with their reasoning.
#Post#: 103865--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) - no
recollection of stopping
DIR By: Snapp1e
Date: December 27, 2025, 3:06 pm
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Hello InterCity125 and b789 and thank you both for replying.
B789 I can see why you are a hero member with your knowledge and
thoroughness, it's pretty amazing to read. And I love your term
about them being spanked ;D
I will use the wording that you gave me previously b789 and get
it sent off.
This site has been really good at preparing me on how this will
play out. I am not a low-hanging fruit thanks to your
explanations and I will see this through.
I appreciate your help with this THANK YOU
#Post#: 106741--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) - no
recollection of stopping
DIR By: Snapp1e
Date: January 20, 2026, 4:47 pm
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Hi again
I got the appeal reply back from UKCPS by email today. A
three-page letter. Side 1 is their response, side 2 is the
automatic blurb and side 3 shows the 4 photos they have supplied
and I have already posted in this thread.
I've copied and pasted the wording of their letter below.
As expected UKCPS declined my appeal, gave their reasons why and
extended the time period for a payment to be made before the
amount increases.
So now I have to appeal to the IAS. I see your good advice
above B789 about this and note this is just a procedural step
and not to expect much from it.
I would be grateful if there is some text you could copy to me
to send off my appeal to the IPS please. I will also emphasise
that the stop was for 5 seconds, all of the car doors stayed
closed and the vehicle was not waiting or stopped. The fact the
vehicle headlights are on and 5 seconds later they are off shows
it is likely that it had mechanical failure and stalled for 5
seconds.
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LETTER - RESPONSE FROM UKCPS TO APPEAL:
UKCPS Ltd
City West Business Park
Building 3
Gelderd Road
Leeds
LS12 6LN
Name
Address
20th January 2026
Current Balance:
£60.00
Parking Charge Reference: X
Vehicle Registration: X
Location: Leeds City Station, LS1 4DY
Issued: 10/12/2025 at 14:54:54
Dear X,
Thank you for your appeal submitted on 27th December 2025. After
reviewing your comments, and carefully considering the evidence
collected at the time the Parking Charge was issued, we regret
to inform you that your appeal has been unsuccessful. The
reasons for our decision are detailed below:
The area where the vehicle stopped is designated as private land
where parking, stopping, or waiting is strictly prohibited at
all times.
At the time of the event, the vehicle was parked, stopped or
waiting in this area, and as a result, the driver contractually
agrees to pay a parking charge.
Attached, you will find photographic evidence showing the
vehicle parked at the location mentioned above.
We have extended the opportunity for you to pay the reduced
amount of, £60.00, until 05/02/2026, after this date, the full
amount of £100.00 will be due.
Regards,
Appeals Team
PAGE 2 OF UKCPS RESPONSE:
Payment options are available as follows:
Online: Visit ukcps.ec6pay.com
By Phone: Make payments using Debit/Credit card by calling 0333
023 0121
By Mail: Send a Cheque/Postal order payable to UKCPS Ltd to the
address provided at the top of this
correspondence
Alternatively, you can make payment by scanning the QR code
provided
Payments received which are not accompanied by this information
will be cashed but the creditor will be unable to allocate the
payment to the correct Parking Charge. The Parking Charge will
therefore remain unpaid and enforcement action may be taken.
This will result in additional cost being incurred.
Independent Appeals Service
If you believe this decision is incorrect, you are entitled to
appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (''IAS''). In order to
appeal, you will need your Parking Charge Reference and your
vehicle registration. Appeals must be submitted to the IAS
within 28 days of the date of this response. Please note if you
make an appeal with the IAS then the discounted rate is no
longer available.
Please visit their website www.theias.org
Complaints
If you wish to complain, you MUST complain to us directly in the
first instance by writing to us at the address at the top of
this letter. If you are not satisfied with our response, then
you may refer your complaint to the IPC.
Further details can be found at www.theIPC.info
UKCPS Ltd Registered Company Number 5090613; Registered in
England and Wales
Due to data protection, we regret there is no public access to
the registered office.
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Thanks for you help with this.
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Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) - no
recollection of stopping
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: January 21, 2026, 2:20 am
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You obviously submitted a strong appeal - this is evidenced by
their failure to engage with any points raised.
You now have a choice - I personally recommend going down the
IAS route as it shows that you are willing to engage / resolve
the issue.
Could you post the content of your original appeal?
#Post#: 106995--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) - no
recollection of stopping
DIR By: Snapp1e
Date: January 22, 2026, 11:58 am
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I used the wording from B789 for my appeal to UKCPS:
I am the registered keeper. UKCPS cannot hold a registered
keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is
under statutory control (until 26 December 2025). As a matter of
fact and law, UKCPS will be well aware that they cannot use the
PoFA provisions because Leeds Station is not 'relevant land'.
If Leeds Station wanted to hold owners or keepers liable under
Railway Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift and
another matter entirely. However, not only is that not pleaded,
it is also not legally possible because UKCPS is not the station
owner and your 'parking charge' is not and never attempts to be
a penalty. It is created for UKCPS’s own profit (as opposed to a
bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and UKCPS has
relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver
only.
The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
UKCPS have no hope should you try to litigate, so you are urged
to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
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The only differences I made was:
- google to abbreviations and write them in full because I
didn't understand them.
- state their photo evidence showed a stop of 5 seconds only
where the vehicles car doors remain closed.
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Its annoying that I cannot find an actual copy of my appeal for
my own records. UKCPS online appeal system doesn't give me
access to my appeal now, and their email confirmation of
receiving my appeal doesn't include what I wrote. But, as I
said, I simply submitted what I was advised to.
Could someone help me with wording to submit to the IPS now
please. Thanks.
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Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) - no
recollection of stopping
DIR By: Snapp1e
Date: January 28, 2026, 4:51 am
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Copy of my Appeal to UKCPS. Submitted through their online
link.
2 pages
HTML https://ibb.co/album/MyjW5k
HTML https://ibb.co/album/MyjW5k
Plus a screenshot of their receipt of my Appeal
HTML https://ibb.co/hxtmGPSv
#Post#: 107644--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) - no
recollection of stopping
DIR By: Snapp1e
Date: January 28, 2026, 4:59 am
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A copy of the UKCPS letter rejecting my appeal. Short response
from them.
3 pages:
HTML https://ibb.co/FqKg7xrt
= page 1
HTML https://ibb.co/Hc3TJwT
= page 2
HTML https://ibb.co/Fqc6tG58
= page 3
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Copied and pasted:
Parking Charge Reference:
Vehicle Registration:
Location: Leeds City Station, LS1 4DY
Issued: 10/12/2025 at 14:54:54
Dear
Thank you for your appeal submitted on 27th December 2025. After
reviewing your comments, and carefully considering the evidence
collected at the time the Parking Charge was issued, we regret
to inform you that your appeal has been unsuccessful.
The reasons for our decision are detailed below:
The area where the vehicle stopped is designated as private land
where parking, stopping, or waiting is strictly prohibited at
all times.
At the time of the event, the vehicle was parked, stopped or
waiting in this area, and as a result, the driver contractually
agrees to pay a parking charge.
Attached, you will find photographic evidence showing the
vehicle parked at the location mentioned above.
We have extended the opportunity for you to pay the reduced
amount of, £60.00, until 05/02/2026, after this date, the full
amount of £100.00 will be due.
Regards,
Appeals Team
#Post#: 107652--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) - no
recollection of stopping
DIR By: jfollows
Date: January 28, 2026, 5:45 am
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See also
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/ukcps-leeds-station-notice-to-keeper-postal-pofa/msg107637/#msg107637
As with the other case, they simply ignored your appeal and sent
you an irrelevant response.
#Post#: 107657--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKCPS Leeds Station - Notice to Keeper (Postal-PoFA) - no
recollection of stopping
DIR By: Snapp1e
Date: January 28, 2026, 6:02 am
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The IPS
I have just registered for an account with the IPS. I am not
happy it wont let me do it without providing my phone numbers.
Is there any chance they will phone me?
Do they pass on phone numbers to any other person or body?
After registering the IPS explains I have to verify the account
through email verification. I then realised my email address was
incorrect. I re-registered with my correct email address.
The IPS pop up window said that hotmail users might have an
issue with receiving their verification email and I would have
to add them to my email safe list then redo the request for a
verification email. I have never come across issues with
hotmail being singled out for not receiving safe emails
before... The IPS gives a link of how to add their email to
hotmail safe addresses bu using an Outlook link. Thankfully I
am relieved to say that I received the email verification on my
hotmail because otherwise this would have been stressful given
that I am not IT savvy and have to rope in family and friends to
help!
The IPS had also said that I would have now lost my chance to
send in my Appeal by post because I had set up the PCN reference
number. So if I had not received the email verification, I
would be locked out of submitting the Appeal!
So far on the IPS system, I cannot see if I can attach UKCPS
letters. Do you know if they already have copy letters through
the PCN or it is expected that I upload them?
My draft appeal to the IPS is in my next message here.
If you think any more is needed please let me know. Thanks a
million.
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