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#Post#: 104883--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, code 53j, failing to comply with a restriction on v
ehicles entering a p
By: msym Date: January 7, 2026, 1:52 am
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[quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=9266.msg104819#msg104819
date=1767727431]
Ticket ReferenceLJ35493793
Your PCN is at discount stage. PCN process information
Vehicle Registration NumberBC23KSE
ColourGREY
MakeNISSAN
Contravention53j - Failing to comply with a restriction on
vehicles entering a pedestrian zone (camera enforcement)
LocationRosendale Road (H)
First seen atFri, 5 Dec 2025 8:52
Issued atFri, 5 Dec 2025 8:52
Served byPost
The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice will increase to
£160.00 very soon. Please pay £80.00 now.
[/quote]
Is the challenge that the website does not contain enough
information on when it needs to be paid by? I assumed this would
not be an issue as it's written on the PCN. If so, is there a
set paragraph that I could use in this circumstance?
Thank you
#Post#: 105022--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, code 53j, failing to comply with a restriction on v
ehicles entering a p
By: msym Date: January 7, 2026, 3:34 pm
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Hi Hippocrates and al,
I would greatly appreciate some advice on the bellow
representation response and whether you think its adequate. Its
an amalgamation of past letters and information i could gather
from past posts.
[member=24]Hippocrates[/member], I have tried to capture your
point on the dates but please correct me if i misunderstood.
thank you
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To Whom It May Concern,
I make representations against
PCN number: LJ35493793
Contravention: 53j
VRN: BC23KSE
Location: Rosendale Road (H)
The first ground by way of collateral challenge: There was no
contravention of a prescribed order.
The signage in situ and accompanying plate a place directly
after the turn on Rosendale Road, there is no advance signage to
warn that this restriction is upcoming and by the time one is in
a position to see the signs it is too late. Indeed, reading the
exemption plate placed as it is impossible from a moving vehicle
and to stop at the location in question would be inherently
dangerous as would attempting to reverse back.
For these reasons the signage fails in its requirement under
LATOR 1996 s18 to adequately inform the motorist. No
contravention can occur in these circumstances and the PCN
should be cancelled
The second ground by way of collateral challenge: Dates between
PCN and Council’s website are misleading.
I am making a collateral challenge on the grounds that the
penalty charge discount amount date as published on Lambeth’s
website does not coincide with the 14 day period on the PCN
itself.
The PCN states:
“If the penalty charge is paid before the end of the period of
14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the amount of the
penalty charge will be reduced by 50% to £80.”
The end of the 14 day period would thus be 30 December 2025.
Yet on your website [extract taken today 7 January 2025] it
states:
“The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice will increase to
£160.00 very soon. Please pay £80.00 now.”
Moreover, the website gives the date of issue as 5 Dec (which is
when the CCTV was recorded) while the PCN itself bears the date
17 Dec. Taken together this is all clearly misleading. I refer
you to a recent case decided at the London Tribunal [224036272
decided 15 October 2024] on similar grounds i.e. where Lambeth’s
website was inconsistent with the information given on the PCN.
The adjudicator Mr Houghton said:
“In bare summary the Appellant submits that the Council’s
website was giving incorrect and/or confusing information
regarding payment dates……The motorist is entitled to have clear
and correct information from a Council as to what is required to
be paid and when; and in my judgement these errors are serious
enough for the Appeal to be allowed on the basis of a collateral
challenge.”
In light of the aforementioned collateral challenges, the PCN
should be cancelled. It is incumbent upon an authority to have
clear road signs and give clear and precise states re payments
etc and these must be according to the statutory process.
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#Post#: 105028--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, code 53j, failing to comply with a restriction on v
ehicles entering a p
By: Hippocrates Date: January 7, 2026, 4:30 pm
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Good stuff. If you don't mind, it needs slight tweaking. I'll
gate back tomorrow. No warning signs are necessary.
#Post#: 105038--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, code 53j, failing to comply with a restriction on v
ehicles entering a p
By: msym Date: January 7, 2026, 5:19 pm
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[quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=9266.msg105028#msg105028
date=1767825015]
Good stuff. If you don't mind, it needs slight tweaking. I'll
gate back tomorrow. No warning signs are necessary.
[/quote]
Many thanks
#Post#: 105111--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, code 53j, failing to comply with a restriction on v
ehicles entering a p
By: msym Date: January 8, 2026, 12:17 pm
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[quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=9266.msg105028#msg105028
date=1767825015]
Good stuff. If you don't mind, it needs slight tweaking. I'll
gate back tomorrow. No warning signs are necessary.
[/quote]
If you can point me to the changes I can try and do them myself.
I am worried as the discount will disappear. Its already past
the 14days but they havent yet increased it.
thank you
#Post#: 105113--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, code 53j, failing to comply with a restriction on v
ehicles entering a p
By: Hippocrates Date: January 8, 2026, 12:58 pm
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I make these formal representations against PCN
1. There was no contravention of a prescribed order because the
signage in situ and accompanying plate a place directly after
the turn on Rosendale Road, there is no advance signage to warn
that this restriction is upcoming and by the time one is in a
position to see the signs it is too late. Indeed, reading the
exemption plate placed as it is impossible from a moving vehicle
and to stop at the location in question would be inherently
dangerous as would attempting to reverse back.
For these reasons the signage fails in its requirement under
LATOR 1996 s18 to adequately inform the motorist.
2. A motorist must be given wholly correct information when to
pay the reduced or full amounts sought. However, there is a
clear disconnect between the law and what is stated on your
website.
In light of the above, please cancel the PCN
#Post#: 105180--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, code 53j, failing to comply with a restriction on v
ehicles entering a p
By: msym Date: January 9, 2026, 5:27 am
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[quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=9266.msg105113#msg105113
date=1767898695]
I make these formal representations against PCN
1. There was no contravention of a prescribed order because the
signage in situ and accompanying plate a place directly after
the turn on Rosendale Road, there is no advance signage to warn
that this restriction is upcoming and by the time one is in a
position to see the signs it is too late. Indeed, reading the
exemption plate placed as it is impossible from a moving vehicle
and to stop at the location in question would be inherently
dangerous as would attempting to reverse back.
For these reasons the signage fails in its requirement under
LATOR 1996 s18 to adequately inform the motorist.
2. A motorist must be given wholly correct information when to
pay the reduced or full amounts sought. However, there is a
clear disconnect between the law and what is stated on your
website.
In light of the above, please cancel the PCN
[/quote]
Thank you. I have sumbbitted the representation as you stated.
Once i receive a response i will reply back.
thank you for the support. (lets hope for the best).
#Post#: 105262--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, code 53j, failing to comply with a restriction on v
ehicles entering a p
By: Hippocrates Date: January 9, 2026, 12:07 pm
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Can't wait. :o
#Post#: 113145--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, code 53j, failing to comply with a restriction on v
ehicles entering a p
By: msym Date: March 13, 2026, 10:08 am
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[quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=9266.msg105262#msg105262
date=1767982026]
Can't wait. :o
[/quote]
Dear Hippocrates,
I have an odd update retgarding this case. I have not formally
received a response on my representation but:
- 9 Jan I sumbitted the representation
- 18 Feb I got another letter with the same PCN
- 24 Feb I checked the lambeth portal and the site was saying
that representation has been received
- 13 Mar I checked the lambeth portal again and it now says to
pay full amount or it will increase to £240 on 29March.
What do i do? Do i make new represenations again?
new screens on links below.
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/NuhoA98#dhfxJ4S
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/NuhoA98#n66nGqj
#Post#: 113218--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lambeth, code 53j, failing to comply with a restriction on v
ehicles entering a p
By: Hippocrates Date: March 14, 2026, 5:11 am
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I'll take a look later as Lambeth's brains operate in mysterious
ways.
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