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       #Post#: 103416--------------------------------------------------
       PCM ticket - giving friend her prescription
   DIR By: Gotithqz
       Date: December 21, 2025, 5:08 am
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       Hi,
       Received the following PCN from PCM.
       Was closest place to give girl her prescription that she
       requires due to her heart rate.
       I will attach PCN below
  HTML https://ibb.co/dwmKkNZs
       Location GSV :
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/19L9ofaDqYZNfpVT6
       PCN evidence :
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  HTML https://ibb.co/cKxTxzg6
       Any helps appreciated,
       Thanks
       #Post#: 103476--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCM ticket - giving friend her prescription
   DIR By: b789
       Date: December 21, 2025, 1:37 pm
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       At the moment, your description is too vague to give you
       reliable, case-specific advice. “Closest place to give girl her
       prescription she requires due to her heart rate” does not tell
       us what actually happened, what the driver did, why that
       location was chosen, what alternatives were available, or what
       the driver saw (or could reasonably have seen) in terms of
       signage.
       If the only reason was to stop and provide medication, why was
       the car left unattended?
       If you want meaningful assistance, you need to provide a proper
       narrative, in plain terms, of the events. For example:
       [indent]What was the destination and why?
       Did anyone leave the vehicle, and if so, for how long and why?
       Was the engine running?
       Where exactly was the vehicle positioned (entrance road, bay
       area, roadway, turning circle, etc.)?
       What signs were visible near vehicle and on approach?
       Was there any obvious marked bay, permit bay, visitor bay, or
       any bay markings at all?
       Was the driver a resident, visitor, contractor, or completely
       unconnected to the site?[/indent]
       You have also not provided the Notice to Keeper. Without the
       NtK, no one can properly assess keeper liability, compliance, or
       whether the operator has even followed the basic requirements
       they must follow before pursuing the keeper.
       Now, based on what you have provided:
       [indent]1. The photos only show a short period and no clear
       parking bay
       The operative’s timestamped photos run from 09:00:58 to 09:07:11
       (just over 6 minutes). That is a very short period.There are no
       bay markings visible. If the operator is alleging “parked
       outside a marked bay” or “not parked wholly within a marked
       bay”, their own evidence becomes questionable if there is no
       clearly marked bay to comply with.
       2. The entrance signage is prohibitive, not an offer to park
       The entrance sign states “Permit Holders Only” and then points
       drivers to other signs for terms. That is not a clear offer of
       parking to non-permit holders. It is a restriction. If parking
       is not being offered to that class of driver, then there is
       nothing capable of acceptance and no contract can be formed with
       that driver on those terms.
       3. The internal terms sign also makes authorisation a
       pre-condition
       The terms sign requires either a valid permit or a registered
       visitor parking session. That again frames the arrangement as
       permission-based parking, not “anyone may park if they agree to
       pay a charge”. In plain terms: it reads as “you are not allowed
       to park here unless authorised”.
       Where signs are framed this way, the operator’s case moves away
       from contract and towards an allegation of unauthorised
       parking/trespass. A parking contractor cannot recover a
       contractual “parking charge” from a driver if the signage does
       not actually offer parking to them in the first place.
       4. Incorporation and fairness of the £100 term
       The entrance sign does not mention the charge amount. The £100
       appears on the terms sign. For any contractual charge argument,
       the operator has to show that the driver had a fair opportunity
       to see and understand the key term before any alleged
       “acceptance”. With only a brief period evidenced (around 6
       minutes), and unclear bay layout, that is not straightforward
       for them.[/indent]
       On the signage you have shown, there is a strong argument that
       no contract was capable of being formed with a non-permit holder
       because the signage is prohibitive and authorisation-based. The
       short period of photographs and the lack of bay markings further
       undermines any allegation that the driver breached “marked bay”
       requirements.
       If you want assistance and advice you should provide:
       [indent]1. A proper narrative answering the practical questions
       above, in full sentences.
       2. A clear copy of the Notice to Keeper (both sides, all pages).
       3. The exact allegation stated on the PCN/NtK (contravention
       code/wording).
       4. Any site photos showing the wider layout, including where the
       vehicle was relative to signs.[/indent]
       If you cannot be bothered to provide those basics, then you
       should not expect anyone to waste their time trying to defend it
       for you.
       #Post#: 103496--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCM ticket - giving friend her prescription
   DIR By: Gotithqz
       Date: December 21, 2025, 3:53 pm
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       --- Quote from: b789 link ---
       >
       > At the moment, your description is too vague to give you
       reliable, case-specific advice. “Closest place to give girl her
       prescription she requires due to her heart rate” does not tell
       us what actually happened, what the driver did, why that
       location was chosen, what alternatives were available, or what
       the driver saw (or could reasonably have seen) in terms of
       signage.
       >
       > If the only reason was to stop and provide medication, why was
       the car left unattended?
       >
       > If you want meaningful assistance, you need to provide a
       proper narrative, in plain terms, of the events. For example:
       >
       > [indent]What was the destination and why?
       > Did anyone leave the vehicle, and if so, for how long and why?
       > Was the engine running?
       > Where exactly was the vehicle positioned (entrance road, bay
       area, roadway, turning circle, etc.)?
       > What signs were visible near vehicle and on approach?
       > Was there any obvious marked bay, permit bay, visitor bay, or
       any bay markings at all?
       > Was the driver a resident, visitor, contractor, or completely
       unconnected to the site?[/indent]
       >
       > You have also not provided the Notice to Keeper. Without the
       NtK, no one can properly assess keeper liability, compliance, or
       whether the operator has even followed the basic requirements
       they must follow before pursuing the keeper.
       >
       > Now, based on what you have provided:
       >
       > [indent]1. The photos only show a short period and no clear
       parking bay
       >
       > The operative’s timestamped photos run from 09:00:58 to
       09:07:11 (just over 6 minutes). That is a very short
       period.There are no bay markings visible. If the operator is
       alleging “parked outside a marked bay” or “not parked wholly
       within a marked bay”, their own evidence becomes questionable if
       there is no clearly marked bay to comply with.
       >
       > 2. The entrance signage is prohibitive, not an offer to park
       >
       > The entrance sign states “Permit Holders Only” and then points
       drivers to other signs for terms. That is not a clear offer of
       parking to non-permit holders. It is a restriction. If parking
       is not being offered to that class of driver, then there is
       nothing capable of acceptance and no contract can be formed with
       that driver on those terms.
       >
       > 3. The internal terms sign also makes authorisation a
       pre-condition
       >
       > The terms sign requires either a valid permit or a registered
       visitor parking session. That again frames the arrangement as
       permission-based parking, not “anyone may park if they agree to
       pay a charge”. In plain terms: it reads as “you are not allowed
       to park here unless authorised”.
       >
       > Where signs are framed this way, the operator’s case moves
       away from contract and towards an allegation of unauthorised
       parking/trespass. A parking contractor cannot recover a
       contractual “parking charge” from a driver if the signage does
       not actually offer parking to them in the first place.
       >
       > 4. Incorporation and fairness of the £100 term
       >
       > The entrance sign does not mention the charge amount. The £100
       appears on the terms sign. For any contractual charge argument,
       the operator has to show that the driver had a fair opportunity
       to see and understand the key term before any alleged
       “acceptance”. With only a brief period evidenced (around 6
       minutes), and unclear bay layout, that is not straightforward
       for them.[/indent]
       >
       > On the signage you have shown, there is a strong argument that
       no contract was capable of being formed with a non-permit holder
       because the signage is prohibitive and authorisation-based. The
       short period of photographs and the lack of bay markings further
       undermines any allegation that the driver breached “marked bay”
       requirements.
       >
       > If you want assistance and advice you should provide:
       >
       > [indent]1. A proper narrative answering the practical
       questions above, in full sentences.
       > 2. A clear copy of the Notice to Keeper (both sides, all
       pages).
       > 3. The exact allegation stated on the PCN/NtK (contravention
       code/wording).
       > 4. Any site photos showing the wider layout, including where
       the vehicle was relative to signs.[/indent]
       >
       > If you cannot be bothered to provide those basics, then you
       should not expect anyone to waste their time trying to defend it
       for you.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Driver received a call. Drove straight and parked closest to the
       window of person who needed there medication. Wasn’t aware of
       any signage due to reason of driving there as it was last thing
       I was thinking.
       Upon arriving a conversation was had including ensuring they are
       ok and calm especially knowing they needed the medication.
       Engine was not running, vehicle was left for not long tbh.
       Vehicle was positioned further down and in a position to avoid
       blocking anything as it’s quite an awkward set up there. There
       was bays but they were full due to numbered bays.
       Driver was a visitor.
       NtK as far as I am aware isn’t sent out yet.
       The exact contravention says :
       Parked
       outside of the confines of a Marked bay.
       I will have some photos taken
       #Post#: 103513--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCM ticket - giving friend her prescription
   DIR By: b789
       Date: December 21, 2025, 6:26 pm
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       OK, I can see the Notice to Driver (NtD) now. this is how you
       deal with the initial appeal...
       Do NOTHING until day 27 which is Monday 5th January, when you
       appeal, but ONLY as the Keeper of the vehicle. There is no legal
       obligation on the Keeper to reveal the identity of the unknown
       driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.
       The NtD is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which
       means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot
       transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the
       known keeper.
       Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove
       anything from it:
       --- Quote ---
       > I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your parking
       charge.
       >
       > I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I require
       you to cancel the PCN or refer the matter to independent
       Alternative Dispute Resolution.
       >
       > Your Notice to Driver does not comply with the mandatory
       requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act
       2012. In particular, it fails to specify any period of parking.
       As a result, you are unable to transfer liability to the keeper.
       Partial or substantial compliance is irrelevant.
       >
       > There will be no admission as to who was driving and no
       inference or assumption may be drawn. Your allegation, if any,
       is against the driver only.
       >
       > I am now providing the keeper’s name and address for service.
       You therefore have no lawful basis or necessity to request
       keeper data from the DVLA. Any DVLA request made after receipt
       of this appeal will constitute unlawful and excessive processing
       of personal data, in breach of UK GDPR Articles 5(1)(a),
       5(1)(c), and 6(1), and will be treated as a data misuse for
       which I will pursue complaints and compensation without further
       notice.
       >
       > The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
       been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
       of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
       You are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and
       cancel the PCN or issue a rejection with details of ADR.
       >
       > [Name]
       > [Address]
       > [PCN No.]
       > [VRM]
       --- End Quote ---
       On another note, can you ask the resident the driver was
       visiting to provide a copy of their lease or AST.
       We need to see exactly what it says about parking and visitor
       rights. What it does not say is just as important as what it
       does.
       In the vast majority of residential parking cases, the parking
       operator has no authority that overrides the resident’s rights
       under their lease, nor the rights of their visitors exercising
       those rights. Any scheme introduced later cannot unilaterally
       remove or restrict those rights unless the lease expressly
       allows it.
       Once we have sight of the lease/AST, it will be extremely useful
       for how this case is handled going forward.
       #Post#: 103700--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PCM ticket - giving friend her prescription
   DIR By: Gotithqz
       Date: December 23, 2025, 2:42 pm
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       --- Quote from: b789 link ---
       >
       > OK, I can see the Notice to Driver (NtD) now. this is how you
       deal with the initial appeal...
       >
       > Do NOTHING until day 27 which is Monday 5th January, when you
       appeal, but ONLY as the Keeper of the vehicle. There is no legal
       obligation on the Keeper to reveal the identity of the unknown
       driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.
       >
       > The NtD is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA
       which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they
       cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver
       to the known keeper.
       >
       > Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or
       remove anything from it:
       >
       > [quote]I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your
       parking charge.
       >
       > I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I require
       you to cancel the PCN or refer the matter to independent
       Alternative Dispute Resolution.
       >
       > Your Notice to Driver does not comply with the mandatory
       requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act
       2012. In particular, it fails to specify any period of parking.
       As a result, you are unable to transfer liability to the keeper.
       Partial or substantial compliance is irrelevant.
       >
       > There will be no admission as to who was driving and no
       inference or assumption may be drawn. Your allegation, if any,
       is against the driver only.
       >
       > I am now providing the keeper’s name and address for service.
       You therefore have no lawful basis or necessity to request
       keeper data from the DVLA. Any DVLA request made after receipt
       of this appeal will constitute unlawful and excessive processing
       of personal data, in breach of UK GDPR Articles 5(1)(a),
       5(1)(c), and 6(1), and will be treated as a data misuse for
       which I will pursue complaints and compensation without further
       notice.
       >
       > The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
       been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
       of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
       You are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and
       cancel the PCN or issue a rejection with details of ADR.
       >
       > [Name]
       > [Address]
       > [PCN No.]
       > [VRM]
       --- End Quote ---
       On another note, can you ask the resident the driver was
       visiting to provide a copy of their lease or AST.
       We need to see exactly what it says about parking and visitor
       rights. What it does not say is just as important as what it
       does.
       In the vast majority of residential parking cases, the parking
       operator has no authority that overrides the resident’s rights
       under their lease, nor the rights of their visitors exercising
       those rights. Any scheme introduced later cannot unilaterally
       remove or restrict those rights unless the lease expressly
       allows it.
       Once we have sight of the lease/AST, it will be extremely useful
       for how this case is handled going forward.
       [/quote]
       I shall do on the 5th. Thank you for your assistance.
       I will try get the paperwork for the lease or anything
       equivalent
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