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#Post#: 103030--------------------------------------------------
SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail to
give Info re.driver id
DIR By: nefoc
Date: December 18, 2025, 10:26 am
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Hi,
Just opened the letter with a deadline to plea by 26/12/25.
Offence was 7/6/25 69 in a 60
I did not receive either the S172 issued on 11/6/25 or the
reminder issued on 16/7/25.
Address details are correct so odd, although I was out of the
country from 12/6/25 -> 24/6/25, and across the country from
23/7/25->28/7/25
Separate note is that my son did get an S172 to the house which
I shared with him via SMS on 1/8/25.
SJPN dated 05/12/25.
Looking at the car and date of the offence and a trip to the
lakes that day, it was either myself the RK or my wife.
How should I respond to this SJPN, as I didn't actually receive
the S172 or reminder, so don't want to plead guilty when it's
not true, but also don't want to get into a painful position.
#Post#: 103032--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail
to give Info re.driver id
DIR By: nefoc
Date: December 18, 2025, 10:37 am
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Just spotted in a similar case advice to use “the deal”
approach. Feels right but worth getting your input.
#Post#: 103033--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail
to give Info re.driver id
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: December 18, 2025, 10:42 am
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--- Quote from: nefoc link ---
>
> Just spotted in a similar case advice to use “the deal”
approach. Feels right but worth getting your input.
>
--- End Quote ---
That depends on who was driving.
#Post#: 103036--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail
to give Info re.driver id
DIR By: FuzzyDuck
Date: December 18, 2025, 10:44 am
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If you are certain it was you that was driving, then doing the
"deal" is the easiest way to handle it.
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Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail
to give Info re.driver id
DIR By: nefoc
Date: December 18, 2025, 10:46 am
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I am pretty confident that I would have been driving but cannot
be 100%.
It feels risky trying to get the pic etc to verify who was
driving. Will speak to my wife to see if she can recall if she
drove there when she gets in tonight.
#Post#: 103047--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail
to give Info re.driver id
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: December 18, 2025, 11:06 am
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Sometimes it’s best not to ask a question when the answer might
be inconvenient.
Doing “the deal” when you know you weren’t the driver might be
problematic. Doing it when you strongly believe that you were,
but aren’t sure, not so much.
#Post#: 103052--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail
to give Info re.driver id
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: December 18, 2025, 11:24 am
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The only alternative to not conducting the “deal” is to defend
the s172 charge. The speeding charge cannot succeed as there is
no evidence to show who was driving, and it will be
discontinued.
You will have to convince the court that you did not receive
either the original request or the reminder. That may be a bit
of a stretch.
If you fail, you will face a hefty fine, a surcharge and costs
(which is unlikely to see you walk away less than £1,000 down).
But as well as that you will also have six points imposed along
with an endorsement code (MS90) which will see your insurance
premiums soar for up to five years.
#Post#: 103059--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail
to give Info re.driver id
DIR By: nefoc
Date: December 18, 2025, 12:24 pm
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OK, my wife has confirmed I was driving. She recalls me parking
and i do remember where we parked (as it was raining so close to
hotel entrance). Sounds like I'll be using 'the deal' text.
Will report back on any issues / outcome. Thanks for the
support.
#Post#: 115997--------------------------------------------------
Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail
to give Info re.driver id
DIR By: nefoc
Date: April 15, 2026, 12:35 pm
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Well I submitted the deal and have had no response. Court
tomorrow. I have copies of my letters etc to take with me
including proof of receipt (signed-off). I also have proof of
failed mail deliveries to my home address at a similar time last
year to the notice along side some proof I have taken of mail
incorrectly delivered to me that should have gone to my
neighbours from Dec Jan once I was aware of this action.
Any advise on how I can get the deal proposed in the court
itself?
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Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail
to give Info re.driver id
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: April 15, 2026, 1:52 pm
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--- Quote ---
> Well I submitted the deal and have had no response. Court
tomorrow.
--- End Quote ---
But you must have had a response if you know you have a court
date tomorrow.
--- Quote ---
> I also have proof of failed mail deliveries to my home address
at a similar time last year to the notice along side some proof
I have taken of mail incorrectly delivered to me that should
have gone to my neighbours from Dec Jan once I was aware of this
action.
>
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That sounds like a defence to the FtP charge. If you mention all
that the prosecutor may not accept your offer.
Ask to see the prosecutor when you check in at court. When you
do, simply say that you did not receive the request but are
willing to plead guilty to the speeding charge provided the FtP
charge is dropped. Offer no more than that unless you are asked
any questions.
If you manage to see the prosecutor beforehand and your deal is
accepted, the prosecutor will talk the court through it when you
are called in. If you cannot see the prosecutor, make your offer
when you are asked to confirm your plea.
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