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#Post#: 102801--------------------------------------------------
Private Parking Solutions - no-permit - Hounslow High Street
By: marxman Date: December 17, 2025, 4:20 am
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Hi FTLA,
The driver parked on a bay at 8:26PM on the 6th of December,
2026 and received a `Parking Charge`.
Apparently, no permit is what is cited. I, the registered
keeper, received the PCN on the 15th of December while the date
of letter is 9th of December.
Attached are the photos:
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/QxCmWBY1/PCN-6-December-2025-2-1.jpg
Link to the Google Street Maps:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/QjRYoT6xYqR4kBR27
Do I stand any chance?
Thank you and kind regards.
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Re: Private Parking Solutions - no-permit - Hounslow High Street
By: Dave65 Date: December 17, 2025, 5:23 am
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"2026" hopefully they are not charging in advance for these
tickets!
Can you post up some photos of the signage?
Also, the back of the PPN?
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Re: Private Parking Solutions - no-permit - Hounslow High Street
By: jfollows Date: December 17, 2025, 6:39 am
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If nothing else, PoFA 2012
(
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4)<br
/>requires
[quote]8(1)A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to
keeper for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(a) is given in
accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are
met.
(2)The notice must—
(a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked
and the period of parking to which the notice relates;[/quote]
and there is no “period of parking”. Stating a single time is a
period does not make it true.
Do not identify the driver and appeal on the basis of
non-compliance preventing the transfer of liability from the
unknown driver to the registered keeper.
Plenty of sample appeals here, I suggest you post your proposed
appeal before sending it.
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Re: Private Parking Solutions - no-permit - Hounslow High Street
By: b789 Date: December 17, 2025, 8:32 am
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There can be no Keeper liability as long as the driver is not
identified. Not that that will stop them pushing on up to the
point where they have to pay a £27 trial fee in a county court
claim which point they will discontinue.
However, to also strengthen any defence, it would be advisable
to show us one of their contractual signs with the terms and
conditions of parking on it.
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Re: Private Parking Solutions - no-permit - Hounslow High Street
By: marxman Date: December 18, 2025, 5:43 am
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Back of PPN:
HTML https://postimg.cc/zbmMJTNY
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Re: Private Parking Solutions - no-permit - Hounslow High Street
By: marxman Date: December 20, 2025, 11:40 am
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[quote author=b789 link=topic=9183.msg102871#msg102871
date=1765981947]
There can be no Keeper liability as long as the driver is not
identified. Not that that will stop them pushing on up to the
point where they have to pay a £27 trial fee in a county court
claim which point they will discontinue.
However, to also strengthen any defence, it would be advisable
to show us one of their contractual signs with the terms and
conditions of parking on it.
[/quote]
I had parked on where the black car is.
Attached are photos of closeup notice:
1.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/d1b46841/PXL_20251219_145504318_MP.jpg
2.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/tTK2kh2q/PXL_20251219_145521157.jpg
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Kind regards.
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Re: Private Parking Solutions - no-permit - Hounslow High Street
By: b789 Date: December 20, 2025, 1:43 pm
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The signage is not capable of forming a contract with a driver
who does not hold and display a valid permit, because it makes
no contractual offer of parking to such a driver.
The sign is framed in prohibitive terms: “CUSTOMERS ONLY” and
“PRIVATE LAND, PERMIT HOLDERS ONLY”, with an instruction that a
“valid permit must be obtained from shop and displayed”. Those
words do not offer parking on terms to the general public. They
define a closed class of authorised users and exclude everyone
else. A person who is excluded cannot accept an offer that is
not made to them. In those circumstances there is no “agreement”
capable of being formed by conduct, and no contractual charge
can arise.
Although the sign also contains a clause stating that if a
vehicle “remains” or “fails to comply” the motorist agrees to
pay £100, that wording does not convert a prohibition into a
contractual licence. Properly construed, the sign is “no
unauthorised parking”. The legal consequence of an unauthorised
vehicle being left on private land is, at most, trespass. Any
remedy for trespass lies with a landowner (or a party with a
proprietary interest), and it is not a contractual “parking
charge” owed to a parking contractor.
Further, the allegation itself (“not clearly displaying a
permit”) presupposes that the driver was entitled to park on the
basis of a permit but failed to display it properly. That is a
fundamentally different case from “unauthorised parking”. If the
operator’s case is that the driver had no valid permit on
display, then by the operator’s own signage the driver fell
outside the class of authorised users (“permit holders only”),
meaning no contract could have been formed in the first place.
The allegation therefore supports the defence: it points away
from any contractual relationship and towards a bare allegation
of unauthorised presence, which cannot give rise to a
contractual sum.
Accordingly, even leaving aside the absence of Keeper liability,
the claim fails on formation. The sign is forbidding to
non-permit holders, no contract was available to be accepted by
them, and the asserted “parking charge” is not a recoverable
contractual debt.
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Re: Private Parking Solutions - no-permit - Hounslow High Street
By: marxman Date: December 23, 2025, 4:41 pm
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[quote author=b789 link=topic=9183.msg103375#msg103375
date=1766259800]
The signage is not capable of forming a contract with a driver
who does not hold and display a valid permit, because it makes
no contractual offer of parking to such a driver.
The sign is framed in prohibitive terms: “CUSTOMERS ONLY” and
“PRIVATE LAND, PERMIT HOLDERS ONLY”, with an instruction that a
“valid permit must be obtained from shop and displayed”. Those
words do not offer parking on terms to the general public. They
define a closed class of authorised users and exclude everyone
else. A person who is excluded cannot accept an offer that is
not made to them. In those circumstances there is no “agreement”
capable of being formed by conduct, and no contractual charge
can arise.
Although the sign also contains a clause stating that if a
vehicle “remains” or “fails to comply” the motorist agrees to
pay £100, that wording does not convert a prohibition into a
contractual licence. Properly construed, the sign is “no
unauthorised parking”. The legal consequence of an unauthorised
vehicle being left on private land is, at most, trespass. Any
remedy for trespass lies with a landowner (or a party with a
proprietary interest), and it is not a contractual “parking
charge” owed to a parking contractor.
Further, the allegation itself (“not clearly displaying a
permit”) presupposes that the driver was entitled to park on the
basis of a permit but failed to display it properly. That is a
fundamentally different case from “unauthorised parking”. If the
operator’s case is that the driver had no valid permit on
display, then by the operator’s own signage the driver fell
outside the class of authorised users (“permit holders only”),
meaning no contract could have been formed in the first place.
The allegation therefore supports the defence: it points away
from any contractual relationship and towards a bare allegation
of unauthorised presence, which cannot give rise to a
contractual sum.
Accordingly, even leaving aside the absence of Keeper liability,
the claim fails on formation. The sign is forbidding to
non-permit holders, no contract was available to be accepted by
them, and the asserted “parking charge” is not a recoverable
contractual debt.
[/quote]
Thanks so much [member=26]b789[/member], that's immensely
helpful. Should I appeal? or just let it be? I believe I
shouldn't do anything else unless I receive some new post.
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Re: Private Parking Solutions - no-permit - Hounslow High Street
By: b789 Date: December 23, 2025, 5:04 pm
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Yes, you appeal, but don't expect anything from the initial
appeal as a successful one is a is rare as hens teeth. You can
go to town on the POPLA appeal later.
There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient
of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the
unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.
The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which
means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot
transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the
known keeper.
Use the following as your initial appeal. No need to embellish
or remove anything from it:
[quote]I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your
'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement
and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to
your client landowner.
As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL
the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper
of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even
substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no
admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions
can be drawn. PPS has relied on contract law allegations of
breach against the driver only.
The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
PPS have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a
complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.[/quote]
Come back after they have rejected the appeal and provided you
with a POPLA code, which will be valid for 33 days from the date
of the appeal rejection.
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Re: Private Parking Solutions - no-permit - Hounslow High Street
By: marxman Date: January 16, 2026, 4:56 am
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Hiya,
I received two bits from the PPS:
1. a letter from them:
a. front:
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/NMRTb8d1/PCN_January_8_1.jpg
b. back:
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/NF4Xvsqf/PCN_January_8_2.jpg
2. email response on the previous email I sent to the appeals:
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/CL55xHjL/appeal-letter-redacted.png
3. They also sent some more photos from their website that I've
attached below:
A. main website:
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/nrz3WwNp/pps-image-showcase.jpg
a.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/PrHxmnsk/image_8811334.jpg
b.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/wTzvhY8z/image_8811335.jpg
c.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/15Stp1hQ/image_8811337.jpg
d.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/15Stp1hQ/image_8811337.jpg
e.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/m24DQWfb/image_8811338.jpg
f.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/BQ36xf9S/image_8811339.jpg
g.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/15Stp1hy/image_8811340.jpg
h.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/ZKmRrztY/image_8811341.jpg
i.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/sDzXpCdX/image_8811342.jpg
j.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/sDzXpCdx/image_8811343.jpg
i.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/SN4sWbFK/image_8811344.jpg
j.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/3JhRgQ5W/image_8811345.jpg
k.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/WbV3McLh/image_8811346.jpg
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Looking forward to hearing from you.
Kind regards.
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