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#Post#: 106257--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: January 17, 2026, 4:27 am
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> I'm not sure I would suggest to DVLA what their own response
wording should be, but I think the wording about their failure
to properly consider is great.
>
> If you've reached the end of the DVLA process, you can refer
it to an Independent Complaints Assessor. They won't
"relitigate" the issue, but will look at whether DVLA's handling
was sufficient.
>
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Point taken.
I have altered the wording slightly.
I personally feel that it is important to reflect to the DVLA
the precise nature of their failing and that by setting out a
potential response I feel that the goal is achieved.
#Post#: 106259--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
DIR By: Hashim
Date: January 17, 2026, 4:34 am
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Thank you for this, I will pursue with DVLA but how do I go
about representing to Popla now which I believe is the next
stage.
Thank you once again.
Hashim
#Post#: 106641--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
DIR By: Hashim
Date: January 20, 2026, 6:15 am
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Dear Gents
Can someone help me with the next stage please which is Popla
appeal..
thanks
Hashim
#Post#: 106688--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: January 20, 2026, 10:06 am
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POPLA Parking Appeal for PCN reference xxxxxxxx
I am the registered keeper of vehicle registration xxxx xxx
I wish to appeal the PCN on the grounds that there is no PoFA
invoked keeper liability at this car park site.
The driver is not known to the parking operator and there is no
legal requirement for me to identify the driver in this
circumstance.
Furthermore, the PCN issued by Euro Car Parks is unlawful as it
falsely claims that PoFA can be applied in order to move
liability from the unknown driver to the known keeper - this
appears to be a deliberately misleading claim designed to
pressure the keeper into paying.
The claim of keeper liability is also a clear breach of the
operator's own Code of Conduct which EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS the
mentioning of PoFA (in a PCN) in instances where PoFA cannot
apply - any breach of the Code of Conduct is also a breach of
the operators KADOE agreement - as a result, the keeper data
released to the operator has also been misused.
Furthermore, the issues with PoFA were outlined in my original
keeper appeal but again Euro Car Parks issued a response which
once again mis-stated their true legal position and again
implied that liability could be moved onto the keeper - this
appears to illustrate the incompetence of the Euro Car Park
staff who are clearly mishandling valid appeals. It also
illustrates the fact that Euro Car Parks are not accessing the
nature of the land before commencing their parking enforcement -
as a result they are issuing unlawful and non-compliant NtKs.
The facts in the case are;
The land at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre is owned by the London
Borough of Redbridge.
The London Borough of Redbridge is a Council and therefore,
legally, constitutes a traffic authority.
The car park is therefore council owned and, in law, represents
'a parking place provided by a traffic authority.'
It appears that Euro Car Parks have been appointed by the
council to help manage the car park.
Whilst it appears that Euro Car Parks are entitled to help
manage the car park, this DOES NOT automatically make it a
location where PoFA can suddenly be used to invoke keeper
liability.
In particular, Schedule 4 of PoFA confirms that point as
Paragraph 3(1)(b) expressly excludes 'a parking place which is
provided or controlled by a traffic authority' from being
'relevant land' for the purposes of PoFA.
The car park at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre is not therefore
defined as 'relevant land' for the purposes of PoFA and
therefore liability can never be moved from the driver to the
keeper as Euro Car Parks are continually stating.
I now invite POPLA to uphold this appeal.
Best wishes,
xxxxx xxxxxxxx
#Post#: 106784--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
DIR By: Hashim
Date: January 21, 2026, 4:49 am
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Thank you Intercity125 for drafting the appeal.
Just looking at the appeal process, it's asking me to choose on
what basis am I appealing:
1. I was not improperly parked.
2. Extreme circumstances prevented me from parking correctly.
3. Other
which one should I be picking.
Thanks
Hashim
#Post#: 106788--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: January 21, 2026, 5:21 am
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Other
If it then asks for more details you should state "No keeper
liability"
#Post#: 106789--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: January 21, 2026, 5:25 am
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--- Quote from: InterCity125 link ---
>
> POPLA Parking Appeal for PCN reference xxxxxxxx
>
>
> I am the registered keeper of vehicle registration xxxx xxx
>
> I wish to appeal the PCN on the grounds that there is no PoFA
invoked keeper liability at this car park site.
>
> The driver is not known to the parking operator and there is
no legal requirement for me to identify the driver in this
circumstance.
>
> Furthermore, the PCN issued by Euro Car Parks is unlawful as
it falsely claims that PoFA can be applied in order to move
liability from the unknown driver to the known keeper - this
appears to be a deliberately misleading claim designed to
pressure the keeper into paying.
>
> The claim of keeper liability is also a clear breach of the
operator's own Code of Conduct which EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS the
mentioning of PoFA (in a PCN) in instances where PoFA cannot
apply - any breach of the Code of Conduct is also a breach of
the operators KADOE agreement - as a result, the keeper data
released to the operator has also been misused.
>
> Furthermore, the issues with PoFA were outlined in my original
keeper appeal but again Euro Car Parks issued a response which
once again mis-stated their true legal position and again
implied that liability could be moved onto the keeper - this
appears to illustrate the incompetence of the Euro Car Park
staff who are clearly mishandling valid appeals. It also
illustrates the fact that Euro Car Parks are not assessing the
nature of the land before commencing their parking enforcement -
as a result they are issuing unlawful and non-compliant NtKs.
>
>
>
>
> The facts in the case are;
>
> The land at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre is owned by the
London Borough of Redbridge.
>
> The London Borough of Redbridge is a Council and therefore,
legally, constitutes a traffic authority.
>
> The car park is therefore council owned and, in law,
represents 'a parking place provided by a traffic authority.'
>
> It appears that Euro Car Parks have been appointed by the
council to help manage the car park.
>
> Whilst it appears that Euro Car Parks are entitled to help
manage the car park, this DOES NOT automatically make it a
location where PoFA can suddenly be used to invoke keeper
liability.
>
> In particular, Schedule 4 of PoFA confirms that point as
Paragraph 3(1)(b) expressly excludes 'a parking place which is
provided or controlled by a traffic authority' from being
'relevant land' for the purposes of PoFA.
>
> The car park at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre is not therefore
defined as 'relevant land' for the purposes of PoFA and
therefore liability can never be moved from the driver to the
keeper as Euro Car Parks are continually stating.
>
>
>
> I now invite POPLA to uphold this appeal.
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> xxxxx xxxxxxxx
>
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#Post#: 106791--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: January 21, 2026, 5:26 am
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Updated the appeal as I noticed a spelling error.
#Post#: 107692--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
DIR By: Hashim
Date: January 28, 2026, 7:58 am
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Hello
Received a further correspondence from DVLA.
HTML https://ibb.co/wNNhMrM2
Thanks
Hashim
#Post#: 107699--------------------------------------------------
Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: January 28, 2026, 8:29 am
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--- Quote from: Hashim link ---
>
>
> Hello
>
> Received a further correspondence from DVLA.
>
>
HTML https://ibb.co/wNNhMrM2
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Hashim
>
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Okay.
She addresses some points but still sidesteps the main complaint
- the clear misuse of your data once they'd obtained it.
I can draft a response - give me a couple of days.
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