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#Post#: 101773--------------------------------------------------
2 PCN tickets issued by 2 different councils (Trafford and
Salford) for the 1 offence
DIR By: moscva2008
Date: December 9, 2025, 6:23 pm
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I came back to my car a few days ago to find 2 separate PCN's
attached to my windscreen.
One issued by Trafford Council at 8.35pm and the other by
Salford Council at 9.40pm.
Both were for the same offence of Code 46 'Stopped where
prohibited on a red route or a clearway'
I was parked on Trafford Road bridge A5063 , see below:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/7jA2QJZa4kiKNAXa7
It turns out that this bridge is the border between the 2
Councils, exactly where on the bridge I'm not sure! I was parked
more on the south side of the bridge.
Regardless of the offence, where do I stand with this in terms
of both Council's issuing PCN's for this one offence? Could I
use this to my advantage in terms of challenging BOTH tickets?
Also the Trafford PCN has my car make incorrectly printed as
Cupra rather than Seat - is this a grounds for challenging?
On the below image, I was parked on the left , my car half on
the pavement where the blue railings end.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/1HSgSq8PQLtQB7hA6
I'm wondering if the above can possibly get the PCN cancelled
before we even consider the Clearway offence.
Thanks in advance for any help
#Post#: 101780--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2 PCN tickets issued by 2 different councils (Trafford and
Salford) for the 1 offence
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: December 10, 2025, 1:11 am
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For meaningful advice we need to see both PCNs so please help
by having a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post up here
(use
ibb.co
HTML https://imgbb.com/
or
HTML https://imgpile.com/
for posting images.
Wherever possible, use the BBCode.)
both sides of each PCN (don't redact anything - leave everything
in),
and
any council photos,
#Post#: 101801--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2 PCN tickets issued by 2 different councils (Trafford and
Salford) for the 1 offence
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 10, 2025, 4:09 am
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Well, here's a Clearway sign as one drives south to the bridge.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/PFm5akNfJs7HdPdV6
Just thinking that maybe your car was straddling the council
boundary. I see an expansion joint on the carriageway right by
where the blue railings meet the wall.
Looking on GSV where you parked, I am quite astonished that you
thought you could park there and get away with it. This is a
very busy road leading to one of the busiest roundabouts in
Manchester !
#Post#: 101808--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2 PCN tickets issued by 2 different councils (Trafford and
Salford) for the 1 offence
DIR By: baroudeur
Date: December 10, 2025, 4:45 am
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According to several maps the boundary is the centre line of
the river. The CEOs of both councils should be aware of the
boundary lines of the authority. It appears Salford CEO
disagreed with Trafford CEO regarding the boundary
#Post#: 101903--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2 PCN tickets issued by 2 different councils (Trafford and
Salford) for the 1 offence
DIR By: moscva2008
Date: December 10, 2025, 12:39 pm
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Here's the front and rear of both PCNs.
Notice the car details (make & colour)on the Salford one are
correct but incorrect on the Trafford one. Does this affect the
validity of the Trafford ticket?
Trafford PCN:
HTML https://ibb.co/WvQzrkNQ
HTML https://ibb.co/vxGkSGGB
Salford PCN:
HTML https://ibb.co/9Hhkf4jn
HTML https://ibb.co/3Y1WRSRW
#Post#: 101928--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2 PCN tickets issued by 2 different councils (Trafford and
Salford) for the 1 offence
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 10, 2025, 4:09 pm
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Make of car and colour are not mandatory content on a PCN, so no
mileage there, I'm afraid. Have you yet looked at the two
council's evidence, (photos) ?
#Post#: 101941--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2 PCN tickets issued by 2 different councils (Trafford and
Salford) for the 1 offence
DIR By: moscva2008
Date: December 11, 2025, 1:54 am
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Regarding me missing the Clearway sign - I've used this stretch
of road to park off and on for Man United games (don't hold it
against me) previously and it seems that they've changed it to a
Clearway since I last parked there.....approx a year ago. So due
to over familiarity with the road , I've not looked for or seen
the change or new signage. I'm guessing that's no defence
though?
I parked displaying a blue badge in case it makes a difference.
I will get the PCN photos posted up.
#Post#: 101995--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2 PCN tickets issued by 2 different councils (Trafford and
Salford) for the 1 offence
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 11, 2025, 6:36 am
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BB is irrelevant I'm afraid, but nothing to stop you referring
to it in your reps.
It looks like this clearway is fairly recent because the
clearway sign doesn't appear in the 2024 GSV view:-
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Hn1n2gKqHCna2ZKu6
whereas it does in 2025
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/kauwdGXPsCLhwfz77
so you could also mention this in your reps, but your main point
is to point out is the two PCNs for the same contravention.
#Post#: 102120--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2 PCN tickets issued by 2 different councils (Trafford and
Salford) for the 1 offence
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 12, 2025, 3:32 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> BB is irrelevant I'm afraid, but nothing to stop you referring
to it in your reps.
>
> It looks like this clearway is fairly recent because the
clearway sign doesn't appear in the 2024 GSV view:-
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Hn1n2gKqHCna2ZKu6
> whereas it does in 2025
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/kauwdGXPsCLhwfz77
> so you could also mention this in your reps, but your main
point is to point out is the two PCNs for the same
contravention.
>
--- End Quote ---
Just to add that the Trafford photos show you on the south side
of the bridge, straddling the expansion joint, so clearly in
Trafford, not Salford. You need to submit reps to Salford
stating that you have received a PCN for the same contravention
from Trafford, and the photos show you on the south side of the
bridge, therefore the PCN is void because it is outside the
boundary of Salford
#Post#: 102241--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2 PCN tickets issued by 2 different councils (Trafford and
Salford) for the 1 offence
DIR By: moscva2008
Date: December 12, 2025, 5:15 pm
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Trafford Photo's
HTML https://ibb.co/bjd1cfCp
HTML https://ibb.co/8nXH76MQ
HTML https://ibb.co/1f2CgZwV
HTML https://ibb.co/R4BFTCXN
HTML https://ibb.co/rGPpyH5s
I've not posted the Salford PCN photos as it looks like I can
get that cancelled due to it being
issued incorrectly as I wasn't parked in their area.
So what's the consensus and previous experience on here
regarding a road changing
restrictions and signage.
If there's a road you've used for years and suddenly it changes
signage, as in my case,
and you're not looking for any changes then where do you stand?
I know strictly speaking I've parked incorrectly and committed
an offence but
morally speaking I don't think I have, due to not looking for a
change in restrictions.
It was dark and the only notification of the new Clearway was
the one sign I passed
as shown in picture 5. Doesn't a Clearway have to have red
double lines?
Now if I parked there again following this , then I have no
defence.
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