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Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: December 7, 2025, 1:56 pm
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> I've been reading up on the possible outcome of my crimes and
I forgot times have changed so instead of worst case scenario of
3 points and £100 fines each way it's now: 4-6 points or 7-28
days disqualification & a fine of 75-125% of a weeks wage.
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You need to be careful what you read and (particularly in your
case) what you don't.
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Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
DIR By: roythebus
Date: December 7, 2025, 5:17 pm
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Add to that possibility of the TC suspending your HGV
entitlement for a while as well. your employer is under an
obligation to report such matters; whether further action will
be taken remains to be seen. You may be lucky.
I was reminded of the street lamp spacing on my last speed
awareness course. :) Yep, I get done as well, but never when
driving a bus.
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Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
DIR By: Sillygoose
Date: December 8, 2025, 3:12 pm
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> Add to that possibility of the TC suspending your HGV
entitlement for a while as well. your employer is under an
obligation to report such matters; whether further action will
be taken remains to be seen. You may be lucky.
>
> I was reminded of the street lamp spacing on my last speed
awareness course. :) Yep, I get done as well, but never when
driving a bus.
>
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Where can I find detailed information about the street lamp
spacing? And would I have to measure the distances between them
in person or would an online tool & GSV be acceptable?
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Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
DIR By: JustLoveCars
Date: December 8, 2025, 3:20 pm
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Here: RTRA 1984 s82
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/section/82
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Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: December 8, 2025, 4:00 pm
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And here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/caught-both-ways-hgv/msg101339/#msg101339
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Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
DIR By: Sillygoose
Date: December 8, 2025, 4:09 pm
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> And here
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/caught-both-ways-hgv/msg101339/#msg101339
>
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As much as I appreciate Roythebus contributions I was looking
for the official wording, Roythebus provided valuable
information for me which has pointed me in the direction I
required, however he didn't (and I don't expect him to) provide
the sections and subsections I need to read.
Andy, I appreciate you going out of your way to highlight
Roythebus previous input, thank you.
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Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: December 8, 2025, 4:54 pm
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> a road is a restricted road for the purposes of section 81 of
this Act if—
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> (a)in England and Wales, there is provided on it a system of
street lighting furnished by means of lamps placed not more than
200 yards apart;
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Looking very quickly at the GSV images I would suggest that
requirement is met (though it's difficult to be sure). 200 yards
is the length of 20 buses.
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Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
DIR By: JustLoveCars
Date: December 9, 2025, 2:34 am
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> I have heard that some police forces do not offer courses for
speeding when the vehicle involved is an HGV.
>
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On another scan I think you may be right - the streetlighting is
only on one side and very easy to miss.
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Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
DIR By: Sillygoose
Date: December 9, 2025, 4:39 am
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> [quote author=NewJudge link=topic=9057.msg101337#msg101337
date=1765111024]
> I have heard that some police forces do not offer courses for
speeding when the vehicle involved is an HGV.
>
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On another scan I think you may be right - the streetlighting is
only on one side and very easy to miss.
[/quote]
I've just used Google earth to take measurements between two
light posts, I don't think it was 100% accurate (my pc is old
slow) but they appear to fall short of 200 yards.
I've accepted my fate, it's my fault I'm here... anyway I did a
quick insurance quote as my car insurance is due, with points on
my licence the quotes were cheaper by £15! ??? :D
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Re: Caught both ways (HGV)
DIR By: roythebus
Date: December 10, 2025, 5:16 pm
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Best thing is to go back there and take actual measurements if
you can, but it can be an expensive day in court if you
challenge and lose. You may be lucky and get the standard FPN
£100 and 3 points.
Car insurances don't seem to worry too much about speeding
points these days.
The Driver CPC courses vary in content, but those I've been on
have had a session regrding speed limits. One notable speed
awareness course I went on the chap lecturing shed a picture of
a national speed limit sign on a 2 lane road and asked "what's
the speed limit here?" He wasn't happy with the reply "what
vehicle am I driving?"
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