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#Post#: 13316--------------------------------------------------
Re: Thurrock, c05, Derby Bridge Road
DIR By: jays86
Date: January 5, 2024, 3:52 am
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Hi apologies for the delay
My reps are included in the thread, and below is the statement
from the organisation I met with. Perhaps it wasn't specific
enough with regards to the time of my accident or the length of
time it took to administer First Aid?
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Re: Thurrock, c05, Derby Bridge Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 5, 2024, 11:25 am
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Where they get "over-running meeting" from is for them to show
in the letter. It is just typical of venal and rapacious
councils, so Thurrock can now join the Hall of Infamy. It fuller
every year !
I would persist to adjudication if it were me. The adjudicator
will decide "on the balance of probabilities", but first you
have to go through the Notice to Owner stage and get reps
against that rejected.
#Post#: 13421--------------------------------------------------
Re: Thurrock, c05, Derby Bridge Road
DIR By: jays86
Date: January 7, 2024, 2:12 pm
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I'm pretty set on seeing the process through now. With that in
mind is it worth getting a stronger version of the above
statement, say with times included?
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Re: Thurrock, c05, Derby Bridge Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 7, 2024, 5:15 pm
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> I'm pretty set on seeing the process through now. With that in
mind is it worth getting a stronger version of the above
statement, say with times included?
>
--- End Quote ---
It would be better if you can, but the existing letter seems OK
to me because it says nothing about the "meeting over-running",
which the council seem to have made up, but does confirm your
narrative of falling.
#Post#: 13965--------------------------------------------------
Re: Thurrock, c05, Derby Bridge Road
DIR By: jays86
Date: January 18, 2024, 11:11 am
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NTO has arrived. I'm trying to get an updated letter from the
group I met with, but no luck yet. Is there anything specific I
should be saying/referencing in my representations?
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Re: Thurrock, c05, Derby Bridge Road
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 18, 2024, 3:33 pm
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You need to emphasise that you left the meeting in plenty of
time to return to your car within the time paid for, but fell
overr on leaving the offices and had to return for some First
Aid to be applied, following which you returned to your car and
found the PCN. You also need to question why the council in
their response say the meeting over-ran, yet the letter from the
meeting rep said nothing about this. Adjudicators don't like
councils lying like this.
#Post#: 15481--------------------------------------------------
Re: Thurrock, c05, Derby Bridge Road
DIR By: jays86
Date: February 12, 2024, 7:59 am
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Would the below be sufficient as reps? Realise I've left it
quite late, unfortunately time got away from me completely!
Dear Sir/Madam
I am writing with regards to PCN TK03017674. On arriving at the
bay I paid for parking until 11.01, I was attending a meeting
which was due to last until 10.30 and was conscious that this
time allowed for any overrun of the meeting. I left The
Community House at 10:55 to make my way back to my vehicle,
according to Google Maps the bay in which I was parked was less
than 100m from The Community House and therefore there was ample
time for me to get back to my vehicle. However, as I was exiting
down the steps of the building I slipped and fell, twisting my
ankle and injuring my knee. One of the Trustees of The Community
House who I had met with came to my assistance and took me back
into the building to administer First Aid, including cleaning my
knee and strapping my ankle. After First Aid had been
administered I made my way back to my vehicle, arriving back to
it around 11.18 which was the earliest that I could do given the
unexpected delay, injury.
I also attach a letter from The Community House confirming that
I attended a meeting there, and that they administered First Aid
as a result of me slipping on the steps when leaving the
building.
#Post#: 15484--------------------------------------------------
Re: Thurrock, c05, Derby Bridge Road
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: February 12, 2024, 8:50 am
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What is the date of issue of the NTO?
At best you have until 14th Feb. to make reps within the 28-day
period based on the NTO being issued on 16th Jan.
Also, did you return to the car aided or unaided and how did you
drive if your ankle was strapped?
#Post#: 15486--------------------------------------------------
Re: Thurrock, c05, Derby Bridge Road
DIR By: jays86
Date: February 12, 2024, 9:00 am
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Date of the Notice and date of posting is 15/1/2024, it says it
is considered served on the second working day after the date of
posting which means 14th Feb is the latest I can make reps.
I returned to my vehicle unaided, and my ankle was only
strapped, it doesn't make it impossible to drive, just wasn't
particularly comfortable.
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> What is the date of issue of the NTO?
>
> At best you have until 14th Feb. to make reps within the
28-day period based on the NTO being issued on 16th Jan.
>
> Also, did you return to the car aided or unaided and how did
you drive if your ankle was strapped?
>
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#Post#: 15492--------------------------------------------------
Re: Thurrock, c05, Derby Bridge Road
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: February 12, 2024, 11:17 am
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The 17th is day 1, not day zero, therefore 13th is the last day
of the 28-day period.
As regards your ankle, don't ignore the point because to do so
simply invites sceptical readers to read into the unsaid what
they like.
After the events and their letter I suggest something along the
lines of...
...My walking was significantly impaired and I had to make my
way back to the car unaided. I'm therefore surprised that I
managed it by 11.18, in fact only missing your CEO by a matter
of a few minutes - I remember the time distinctly because I
checked when I found the PCN.
I do not know whether these circumstances, which were clearly
beyond my control, fit under the grounds of 'contravention did
not occur' or 'penalty exceeded the amount applicable in the
circumstances of the case' but in either case I request that the
authority would none the less cancel the PCN.
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