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#Post#: 100626--------------------------------------------------
UKPC PCN - Friern Barnet Retail Park - Vehicle was parked in
registered users only
DIR By: mistermer
Date: December 1, 2025, 7:56 pm
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Hi,
I am seeking help regarding an overstayed PCN that occurred in
London, Friern Barnet Retail Park N11 3PW on 05/11/2025.
The driver entered the car park after the allowed times which
the driver then have realised shortly after and have stayed at
the car park for exactly 33 minutes until noticed that on the
sign it said only registered users are allowed in times between
22:30 to 8 am.
I've missed the original letter with a 14 day discounted price
and have now received a final reminder letter.
#Post#: 100638--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC PCN - Friern Barnet Retail Park - Vehicle was parked in
registered users only
DIR By: Dave65
Date: December 2, 2025, 4:28 am
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Can you post up a copy of the PPN with personal details redacted
but leave dates?
This may take a while to go through the motions, but according
to b789 you should not pay a penny to UKPC.
#Post#: 100907--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC PCN - Friern Barnet Retail Park - Vehicle was parked in
registered users only
DIR By: b789
Date: December 3, 2025, 12:26 pm
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Ignore the "mugs discount". If you don't want to pay a penny to
UKPC then follow the advice I give you here. I can guarantee
that with greater than 99.9% certainty.
There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient
of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the
unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.
The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which
means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot
transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the
known keeper.
Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove
anything from it:
--- Quote ---
> I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking
charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I
will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your
client landowner.
>
> As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL
the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper
of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even
substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no
admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions
can be drawn. UKPC has relied on contract law allegations of
breach against the driver only.
>
> The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
UKPC have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a
complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 103268--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC PCN - Friern Barnet Retail Park - Vehicle was parked in
registered users only
DIR By: mistermer
Date: December 19, 2025, 5:13 pm
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--- Quote from: b789 link ---
>
> Ignore the "mugs discount". If you don't want to pay a penny
to UKPC then follow the advice I give you here. I can guarantee
that with greater than 99.9% certainty.
>
> There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the
recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity
of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be
made.
>
> The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA
which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they
cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver
to the known keeper.
>
> Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or
remove anything from it:
>
> [quote]I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your
'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement
and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to
your client landowner.
>
> As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL
the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper
of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even
substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no
admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions
can be drawn. UKPC has relied on contract law allegations of
breach against the driver only.
>
> The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
UKPC have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a
complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
Hi, thank you for your help. So I have done that and 3 days ago
I received this email from them.
HTML https://ibb.co/2r9pj1n
What is my next step?
#Post#: 103299--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC PCN - Friern Barnet Retail Park - Vehicle was parked in
registered users only
DIR By: RichardW
Date: December 20, 2025, 4:25 am
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It's a fishing exercise to get you to name the driver, which you
don't want to do obviously!
You can either reply re-iterating that their NTK was not POFA
compliant, you have no obligation to name the driver and won't
be doing so, and they have no means to hold the keeper liable so
they should cancel they charge. They won't of course, and will
reject your appeal.
Or you can ignore it and they will reject your appeal anyway!
#Post#: 103325--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC PCN - Friern Barnet Retail Park - Vehicle was parked in
registered users only
DIR By: b789
Date: December 20, 2025, 9:21 am
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Reply to their email with the following:
--- Quote ---
> Subject: PCN [number] – Your improper request for driver
details
>
> I am the registered keeper.
>
> Your email is noted and your request that I “confirm the full
name and address of the driver” is refused.
>
> There is no legal obligation on a keeper to identify a driver.
Your attempt to strong-arm the keeper into naming the driver
within 7 days is inappropriate and will not succeed. You already
have everything you need to either cancel the charge or issue a
rejection with a POPLA verification code.
>
> Accordingly, stop fishing for driver details and now determine
the appeal based on the information already provided. If you
reject, you must provide a POPLA code without further delay.
>
> For the avoidance of doubt, I will not enter into any
correspondence about the driver’s identity. Any further emails
repeating this demand will be treated as harassment and evidence
of unreasonable conduct.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> [Keeper name]
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 108935--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC PCN - Friern Barnet Retail Park - Vehicle was parked in
registered users only
DIR By: mistermer
Date: February 6, 2026, 10:35 am
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Hi, I have received this email on the 8th of January and didn't
notice it until now.
It went to spam for some reason, which is the reason why I
missed this email.
HTML https://ibb.co/8DcpPtLV
The link above seems not to be working so there is another link
just in case:
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/fb8yeEb
#Post#: 108936--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC PCN - Friern Barnet Retail Park - Vehicle was parked in
registered users only
DIR By: jfollows
Date: February 6, 2026, 10:46 am
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You have 33 days from the date of the rejection to appeal to
POPLA.
I don’t think you posted the original notice, so why does it not
comply with the requirements of PoFA 2012 to transfer liability
to you? If not, then you need to lead POPLA through why not.
#Post#: 108944--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC PCN - Friern Barnet Retail Park - Vehicle was parked in
registered users only
DIR By: mistermer
Date: February 6, 2026, 11:40 am
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I'm not very knowledgeable in those sort of things. How would I
take it to POPLA?
Should I also send my original notice?
#Post#: 109002--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC PCN - Friern Barnet Retail Park - Vehicle was parked in
registered users only
DIR By: jfollows
Date: February 7, 2026, 8:41 am
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Where is the original notice?
I think you’ve been asked twice to post it here.
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