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#Post#: 100187--------------------------------------------------
Croydon Council - Code 23 - Parked in a parking place or area
not designated for that type of vehicle. Church Street
DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: November 28, 2025, 5:55 am
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Hello all,
I need help challenging this PCN.
Link below to pictures and the PCN Contravention Code List in an
ibb image folder.
HTML https://ibb.co/album/3yJ1NZ
Please can you help me check if this PCN has been issued
correctly, or if there are any procedural improprieties.
My main point is that there is no suffix on the contravention
code CC23 on the PCN. According to the CC List, CC23 should have
a suffix to fully describe the contravention.
Another point: the picture of the signage/template taken and
uploaded onto the Croydon website is not very clear (blurry). It
cannot be read legibly. Will that make a significant difference?
Did the contravention occur? Does the penalty exceed the amount
applicable in the circumstances of the case? Is the Traffic
Order allegedly contravened invalid? Are the mitigating
circumstances and evidence sufficient for cancellation?
**Background story:**
I have mobility issues and find it challenging to walk long
distances. I cannot walk very fast. I parked to get some
medication from Savers across the road.
I had barely entered the shop and looked back when I saw a
parking attendant standing by my car, logging into his machine.
The PCN was issued within 1 minute. I did a U-turn and started
walking back towards my vehicle. It had just stopped raining, so
the ground was wet and very slippery, so I had to be extra
cautious not to slip or twist my knees/legs.
I believe he saw me coming and hurriedly issued the ticket. The
ticket was quickly crumpled into the yellow envelope; it wasn't
even folded properly and was stuck on the windshield by the time
I got to him. He was moving away, and I stopped him and tried to
speak to him, but he was very rude, arrogant, and dismissive. He
said, "I don't want to hear anything, you can appeal and explain
that to the council." I asked if he could put a note in his log
book as this would corroborate my appeal, but he was basically
shouting that he didn't want to hear anything.
I left him and went to pick up the medication I purchased from
Savers. I have the receipt.
I also have a letter for my physio assessment and appointments.
I have medical evidence of my mobility issues.
Also, I looked at contravention code 23, and it says "suffix
required to fully describe contravention." No suffix was issued
with code 23 on this PCN. The suffix on the CC Sheet looks like
"2". I have uploaded a copy of the CC sheet. Is this a valid
challenge? Please see the PCN.
Please, what is the best way to appeal this PCN successfully?
Ideally, I would like to preserve the discount. It is showing as
£80 on the website.
Thanks
#Post#: 100196--------------------------------------------------
Re: Croydon Council - Code 23 - Parked in a parking place or
area not designated for that type of vehicle. Church Street
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 28, 2025, 6:34 am
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Please post-up all the documents you have; just posting
fragments is no good at all. We don't even know where this is.
Please help us to help you.
If you have mobility issues, why haven't you got a Blue Badge ?
#Post#: 100197--------------------------------------------------
Re: Croydon Council - Code 23 - Parked in a parking place or
area not designated for that type of vehicle. Church Street
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 28, 2025, 6:45 am
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There are a few cases won where the PCN doesn't describe the
contravention and I think we've seen another case in Croydon we
had a go at.
#Post#: 100218--------------------------------------------------
Re: Croydon Council - Code 23 - Parked in a parking place or
area not designated for that type of vehicle. Church Street
DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: November 28, 2025, 8:44 am
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Link to all the pictures & images uploaded.
HTML https://ibb.co/album/3yJ1NZ
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HTML https://ibb.co/BKcK5nLZ
HTML https://ibb.co/Q3sKGV9P
HTML https://ibb.co/21ScSKDr
HTML https://ibb.co/fVjh9sQS
HTML https://ibb.co/84SgGDF1
HTML https://ibb.co/214VRjKr
HTML https://ibb.co/DgGZdHYy
HTML https://ibb.co/PG0J9XT0
#Post#: 100219--------------------------------------------------
Re: Croydon Council - Code 23 - Parked in a parking place or
area not designated for that type of vehicle. Church Street
DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: November 28, 2025, 8:48 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> There are a few cases won where the PCN doesn't describe the
contravention and I think we've seen another case in Croydon we
had a go at.
>
--- End Quote ---
Please can you sign post me to these cases so I can have a look.
Do you have links to them.
Thanks
#Post#: 100223--------------------------------------------------
Re: Croydon Council - Code 23 - Parked in a parking place or
area not designated for that type of vehicle. Church Street
DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: November 28, 2025, 9:11 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Please post-up all the documents you have; just posting
fragments is no good at all. We don't even know where this is.
Please help us to help you.
>
> If you have mobility issues, why haven't you got a Blue Badge
?
>
--- End Quote ---
I have uploaded another set of links. Sorry, I wasn't aware that
the link didn't give access to all the images in the folder.
HTML https://ibb.co/album/3yJ1NZ
I will reply later to your question of why I haven't applied for
a blue badge.
#Post#: 100226--------------------------------------------------
Re: Croydon Council - Code 23 - Parked in a parking place or
area not designated for that type of vehicle. Church Street
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 28, 2025, 9:48 am
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No need to crop the PCN, we need to see everything pl.
You parked in a Goods Vehicle only loading bay. Yours is not a
goods vehicle.
So you're left with proving an exemption or that there has been
a procedural impropriety on the authority's behalf, for example
the PCN not accurately giving 'the grounds on which the civil
enforcement officer issuing the notice believes that a penalty
charge is payable,'.
As regards the PCN, numbers and alpha suffixes aren't the issue
because a motorist wouldn't have, and is not expected to have,
any knowledge of these which are for administrative purposes
only. What the PCN lacks is sufficient specificity as regards
the contravention. This is provided for in LC's contravention
descriptions as 'goods vehicle loading bay'.
IMO, your informal reps should address this omission, for
example:
I am making representations on the grounds that the
contravention did not occur because I am unclear as to why my
vehicle was not permitted to park in the parking place. The PCN
simply states.....class of vehicle. I am not an expert on
vehicle classes and therefore am at a loss to understand what I
did wrong. When I opened the PCN I looked around and saw a sign
regarding goods vehicles and loading, but if this relates to my
PCN why was this not included in the contravention grounds
instead of the non-specific wording which was used?
Since starting to draft these representations I have been
referred to the approved descriptions mandated by London
Councils which state clearly that a 'suffix is required to fully
describe the contravention'.
If the authority wish to pursue this penalty then they must
explain why they have failed to use the specified description.
OP, I'm simply trying to tease out as much, or reveal how
little, reasoning the authority use in any rejection which IMO
would better inform any decision as to whether to pursue this to
the NTO stage.
But the bottom line is at the top! You were parked in a goods
vehicle only bay and whether you wish to pursue the argument
above I leave to you.
#Post#: 100249--------------------------------------------------
Re: Croydon Council - Code 23 - Parked in a parking place or
area not designated for that type of vehicle. Church Street
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 28, 2025, 1:12 pm
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We have at least four adjudicated cases on failure to describe
the contravention.
Here's one we often wheel out.
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Case
reference
2160271291
Appellant Mary Harding
Authority Royal Borough of Kingston Upon Thames
VRM LA65CCY
PCN Details
PCN KT76116077
Contravention
date
27 Apr 2016
Contravention
time
12:56:00
Contravention
location
Lenelby Road
Penalty
amount
GBP 110.00
Contravention In bay for special vehicle class e.g. motor cycles
Referral date
Decision Date 26 Jul 2016
Adjudicator Sean Stanton-Dunne
Appeal
decision
Appeal allowed
Direction cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to
Owner.
Reasons This PCN was issued for the alleged contravention of
being parked in a
parking place or area not designated for that class of vehicle.
The PCN
was issued at 12.56pm on 27 April 2016 and the location was
Lenelby
Road.
The Schedule to The Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions
(England) General Regulations 2007 sets out the contents
required by the
Regulations for a valid PCN served under Regulation 9.
Among other things, the PCN is required to state the grounds on
which the
enforcement authority believes that the penalty charge is
payable. Those
grounds must be expressed in terms that allow the recipient of
the PCN to
properly understand the nature of the alleged contravention.
The Council say that the place in which Mrs Harding's vehicle
was parked
was a goods vehicle only loading bay. In other words, the bay
was
designated for goods vehicles only. This is not, however, clear
on the face
of the PCN which states simply that the vehicle was parked in a
place not
designated for that class of vehicle.
A motorist reading the PCN would not understand from the wording
the
nature of the alleged contravention because there is nothing to
explain the
class of vehicle for which the parking place was designated. The
PCN
needs to identify, whether by wording or images, that the class
of vehicle
for which the bay is designated is goods vehicles only.
I therefore find that the PCN was invalid and the appeal is
allowed for that
reason.
#Post#: 100259--------------------------------------------------
Re: Croydon Council - Code 23 - Parked in a parking place or
area not designated for that type of vehicle. Church Street
DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: November 28, 2025, 3:21 pm
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I didn't crop the PCN. I am aware that all the details needs to
be visible.
The first picture I uploaded was horizontal even though the
actual picture was taken vertical.
I can see the full PCN in the new link I have removed the old
link.
Please recheck the link.
What is your take on the blurred signage that was uploaded by
the CEO and the 1st blurred photo of the PCN affix to my car.
The 2nd picture seen a bit clear?
#Post#: 100260--------------------------------------------------
Re: Croydon Council - Code 23 - Parked in a parking place or
area not designated for that type of vehicle. Church Street
DIR By: JOJO1209
Date: November 28, 2025, 3:26 pm
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[member=2249]stamfordman[/member].
Thanks for posting this case.
If you find any others please post them or PM them to me.
Appreciated
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