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#Post#: 99757--------------------------------------------------
Kingston Council - is the new 20mph speed limit on Kingston Hill
lawful?
By: l_maktari Date: November 25, 2025, 10:45 am
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Is there anyone I can talk to about the problem we have on
Kingston Hill? The speed cameras just before Warren Road are
poorly located - behind a bus stop instead of infront of it
where drivers could have a good chance of seeing it.
The signage on Kingston Hill doesn't start where it should
start. The first sign should be where the speed limit changes as
the Traffic Signs Manual indicates
(
HTML https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c78f895e5274a0ebfec719b/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf)<br
/>
Instead, it is half a mile away from where the first sign should
be positioned. I am contesting 3 speeding fines I received for
alleged offences in April 2025 - for driving within the old
30mph speed limit - 25, 26 and 28mph. Magistrates hearings for
the three cases will be in January and February. I didn't even
realise there was a change of speed limit until I received the
NIPs.
I need my car for my work collecting and redistributing food for
Surbiton Community Fridge and to support my disabled daughter
who lives on Kingston Hill. If I get 9 points added to my
license, I have no buffer zone for a genuine misdemeanour which
would take me off the road for 6 months and make our van's
insurance uneconomical.
Can anyone help/ advise on this matter?
#Post#: 99760--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston Council - is the new 20mph speed limit on Kingston
Hill lawful?
By: DWMB2 Date: November 25, 2025, 10:56 am
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If your planned argument is that the 20mph limit is not
adequately conveyed by the signage, it may help those looking to
offer advice if you could show us photos of the signage (or lack
thereof), and a Google Street View link to the location.
#Post#: 99762--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston Council - is the new 20mph speed limit on Kingston
Hill lawful?
By: 666 Date: November 25, 2025, 11:05 am
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[quote author=l_maktari link=topic=8915.msg99757#msg99757
date=1764089102]
Is there anyone I can talk to about the problem we have on
Kingston Hill? The speed cameras just before Warren Road are
poorly located - behind a bus stop instead of infront of it
where drivers could have a good chance of seeing it.
[/quote]
There is no requirement for a camera to be conspicuous, or for
any warning signs.
#Post#: 99768--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston Council - is the new 20mph speed limit on Kingston
Hill lawful?
By: NewJudge Date: November 25, 2025, 11:26 am
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[quote]The signage on Kingston Hill doesn't start where it
should start.....Instead, it is half a mile away from where the
first sign should be positioned.[/quote]
Is the sign half a mile before where you believe it should be,
or half a mile after. How did you find out where (you believe)
it should be?
UPDATE: I think I’ve found the relevant Traffic Order for the
location:
HTML https://publicnoticeportal.uk/notice/traffic-and-roads/66c86597dfa4ae951ceaff5c
“The general effect of the Order would be to impose a speed
limit of 20 miles in Kingston Hill between its junction with
Queens Road and a point 150 metres east of its junction with
Warren Road.”
That said, looking on GSV, I seems the terminal “20” sign
(heading towards Kingston) is just beyond he bus stop which is
labelled “Galsworthy House”. Whether that is 150yards east of
Warren Road is hard to say (leaving aside the fact that Kingston
Hill runs roughly North-North-East at that location).
Where did you get your information about the limit’s extent?
#Post#: 99792--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston Council - is the new 20mph speed limit on Kingston
Hill lawful?
By: l_maktari Date: November 25, 2025, 2:41 pm
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I received an email from the met police with the evidence they
are using in the case. The way the extent of the new 20mph
limit area is described is different from the one you've quoted
on the RBK portal.
I am new to this forum - is there a way to attach a picture or a
file? If not, here is a link to the supporting evidence which
the met police sent me a few days ago. I've redacted the pdf.to
remove personal info.
HTML https://docs.google.com/document/d/16cJ-maKH5_xYC9Fzo3dEKgdezbL3-q7ZCbISOVaF0sM/edit?usp=sharing
If you can't read the link, please advise how to share it.
#Post#: 99797--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston Council - is the new 20mph speed limit on Kingston
Hill lawful?
By: Southpaw82 Date: November 25, 2025, 3:09 pm
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[quote author=l_maktari link=topic=8915.msg99792#msg99792
date=1764103308]
I am new to this forum - is there a way to attach a picture or a
file?
[/quote]
We didn’t want to make it too obvious, so we buried it in a
thread called “Posting Images” in the Announcements section.
#Post#: 99798--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston Council - is the new 20mph speed limit on Kingston
Hill lawful?
By: l_maktari Date: November 25, 2025, 3:12 pm
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[quote author=666 link=topic=8915.msg99762#msg99762
date=1764090318]
[quote author=l_maktari link=topic=8915.msg99757#msg99757
date=1764089102]
Is there anyone I can talk to about the problem we have on
Kingston Hill? The speed cameras just before Warren Road are
poorly located - behind a bus stop instead of infront of it
where drivers could have a good chance of seeing it.
[/quote]
There is no requirement for a camera to be conspicuous, or for
any warning signs.
[/quote]
Is that true? I though they needed to be clear and visible.
"8.10.6.  Speed enforcement should be highly
visible, with drivers made fully aware of the
presence of cameras and of the prevailing speed limit. The
camera and speed limit signs should
always be clearly visible to drivers, and not obscured by other
street furniture or vegetation." (quote from the Traffic Signs
Manual)
#Post#: 99802--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston Council - is the new 20mph speed limit on Kingston
Hill lawful?
By: andy_foster Date: November 25, 2025, 3:20 pm
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Well, Brian's mum said that he's a very naughty boy. Both
statements carry similar weight.
#Post#: 99805--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston Council - is the new 20mph speed limit on Kingston
Hill lawful?
By: NewJudge Date: November 25, 2025, 3:43 pm
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I think, reading some local press reports and Facebook posts
(not good, I know, but all I can find) that Kingston Hill was
eventually left out of the "blanket" 2023 imposition of 20mph
limits. Hence the later order.
I think it's just a question of where, exactly on Kingston Hill
that order specified the 20mph limit to begin. I cannot tell
from GSV and your photos whether the sign is located "150 metres
east of its junction with Warren Road" or not - particularly as
that spot appears to be in somebody's back garden.
#Post#: 99810--------------------------------------------------
Re: Kingston Council - is the new 20mph speed limit on Kingston
Hill lawful?
By: Hippocrates Date: November 25, 2025, 4:40 pm
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I may well take a look tomorrow. One of my drive in London days.
;D Though I am saving money for a trip to The Lake District in
March - apparently. A kind of summit.
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