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#Post#: 103994--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: b789
Date: December 29, 2025, 10:49 am
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--- Quote from: owillow99 link ---
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> The letter sent through named me as driver as when I appealed
through the IAS it required me to state I was the driver. I am
not the keeper of the car and the keeper (a relative) has not
received anything through the post.
>
> No Notice to Keeper has been sent to anyone through the post.
>
--- End Quote ---
Absolutely NOTHING, anywhere, required you to name yourself as
the driver, especially if you were not the driver!!!!
No one twisted your arm to state the following in your IAS
appeal:
HTML https://i.ibb.co/TqLVF5mL/Screenshot-2025-12-29-at-10-47-30.png
So are you suggesting that you were not the driver?
The only reason the Keeper has not received anything through the
post is because you admitted to being the driver. ONLY the
driver is liable and you were not obliged to admit to being the
driver at any point. If you made an initial appeal to the NtD,
as the driver, then there is no need for them to engage with the
Keeper.
BW Legal will issue a claim and take all the way to a hearing.
Your defence will be that no contact was formed because they
have not evidenced a period of parking beyond the minimum
consideration period that must allow in their CoP and the fact
that there w s no entrance sign that notifies drivers that they
are entering private land with terms and conditions for parking.
If you show us a close up of the terms and conditions signs,
there is probably even more you can use for your defence once
the inevitable claim comes through.
#Post#: 103996--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: owillow99
Date: December 29, 2025, 10:55 am
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--- Quote from: b789 link ---
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> That is just BW Legal acting as a useless debt collector. They
will eventually issue an LoC and then a claim. However, for now,
you do not need to respond to that letter. When they issue an
LoC, let us know and we will provide a suitable response.
>
> I am assuming that the photos you showed us of the car park
with no entrance sign are yours. If so, keep them as valuable
evidence. Also, you need to extract the metadata and get those
photos timestamped with that data. No entrance sign is a clear
breach of the CoP and means that no contract cold have been
formed with you (the driver, which should never have
identified).
>
> Also, do you have the correspondence where they admit that the
signs were not there due to vandalism? That is also crucial
evidence.
>
> Also, you need to get a close up photo of the sign they say
forms the contract. We need to see the wording on it to evaluate
if it is even capable of forming a contract.
>
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Will send picture of LOC when received.
The photos are mine. I took them the day I was doing the appeal
which was after I received the ticket. I have got the metadata
and they're timestamped in and around 23 August 2025 19:11:32.
I'll attach a closer picture of the signs when I'm next there.
But even on google streetview, there are no entrance signs
visible. I've attached screenshots of May 2023 and October 2022
from google streetview (latest dates available).
HTML https://ibb.co/sdmCzNy7
HTML https://ibb.co/sdmCzNy7
HTML https://ibb.co/tPw3s67y
HTML https://ibb.co/tPw3s67y
I have attached the response by the operator which I've screen
shot from the IAS appeal. It clearly shows that they admit the
signs were not there due to vandalism. Suggesting it was the
driver that caused this.
HTML https://ibb.co/GvtK2HWs
HTML https://ibb.co/GvtK2HWs
I've also attached the PDF of the operators proof - which does
not include any pictures of the entrance signs.
HTML https://ibb.co/G3JVNcgY
HTML https://ibb.co/G3JVNcgY
Thank you
#Post#: 103998--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: b789
Date: December 29, 2025, 11:07 am
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That is good evidence of their mendacious behaviour. There does
not appear to have ever been an entrance sign at this location.
If there is one now, take a photo of it.
They will be required to provide evidence of an entrance sign at
the location prior to the date of the alleged contravention. As
can be seen in GSV, there was no sign in place in March 2023 and
no sign ij place on the date you took your photos.
This one will be easy to challenge in a claim and it will be
interesting to see whether BW Legal are prepared to let their
client take this all the way to a hearing, where they will be in
danger of a spanking and a cost order for unreasonable
behaviour.
#Post#: 103999--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: December 29, 2025, 11:08 am
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--- Quote from: b789 link ---
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> If there is one now, take a photo of it.
>
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+1 - ideally from an angle that makes it obvious that the two
photos (i.e. the one showing the new sign, and the previous one
showing a lack of a sign) were taken at the same location.
#Post#: 104028--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: owillow99
Date: December 29, 2025, 6:42 pm
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
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> [quote author=b789 link=topic=8897.msg103998#msg103998
date=1767028034]
> If there is one now, take a photo of it.
>
--- End Quote ---
+1 - ideally from an angle that makes it obvious that the two
photos (i.e. the one showing the new sign, and the previous one
showing a lack of a sign) were taken at the same location.
[/quote]
I walked past there earlier this evening and there are no signs
whatsoever on the entrance to the car park.
HTML https://ibb.co/nNw7CNTC
HTML https://ibb.co/nNw7CNTC
HTML https://ibb.co/fVSqgzFV
HTML https://ibb.co/fVSqgzFV
#Post#: 104029--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: owillow99
Date: December 29, 2025, 6:44 pm
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--- Quote from: b789 link ---
>
> That is good evidence of their mendacious behaviour. There
does not appear to have ever been an entrance sign at this
location. If there is one now, take a photo of it.
>
> They will be required to provide evidence of an entrance sign
at the location prior to the date of the alleged contravention.
As can be seen in GSV, there was no sign in place in March 2023
and no sign ij place on the date you took your photos.
>
> This one will be easy to challenge in a claim and it will be
interesting to see whether BW Legal are prepared to let their
client take this all the way to a hearing, where they will be in
danger of a spanking and a cost order for unreasonable
behaviour.
>
--- End Quote ---
I can't believe how any reasonable person from the IAS dismissed
the appeal in the first place!
#Post#: 104033--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: b789
Date: December 29, 2025, 8:58 pm
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Why would you think that the IAS are in any way reputable or
independent?
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#Post#: 112581--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: owillow99
Date: March 9, 2026, 2:14 pm
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Trying to upload images via insert image link but it's not
working?
#Post#: 112647--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: owillow99
Date: March 10, 2026, 5:59 am
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Hi there,
I've received the letter of claim:
[url=
HTML https://ibb.co/sdrPpZm5]
* going to re-upload other documents
#Post#: 112654--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: jfollows
Date: March 10, 2026, 6:13 am
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For me, every single one of these links is the same thing.
However, although I can’t view them, no, you do not complete any
forms. Whatever they are requesting from you is none of their
business.
You simply send a reply to the Letter of Claim.
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