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#Post#: 99531--------------------------------------------------
PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed by
IAS.
DIR By: owillow99
Date: November 24, 2025, 8:09 am
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Good afternoon,
I received a PCN for parking in Bute Street Cardiff in August.
There was no signage on entry to the space, no signage showing
that the space was a private car park or any car parking pay
stations anywhere.
There was only small warning private land signs on the walls far
from where I parked my vehicle that was pointed out by the
operator during the appeal service - but it is incredibly small
and obscured by other vehicles as shown by the operators first
response to the appeal (attached).
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I went through several rounds of an appeal and evidence sharing
through the IAS appeal service. But the appeal was later
dismissed. I feel not any of my evidence or grounds for appeal
were considered.
I have now received a £100 fine from Link Parking (attached).
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HTML https://ibb.co/5g9K6Bvn[/img]
I have since searched online and have found that the IAS sides
with most car parking operators, which I feel is incredibly
unfair.
During one of appeal rounds, the operator had stated that the
car park did have entry signs and had since been vandalised -
which is untrue and I have proved it with photographs and google
street view - linked in my PDF appeal letter and evidence
(attached)
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PDF
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Please let me know what my next steps can be.
I can attached any and all of the operator and adjudicators
responses if it helps.
Thank you
#Post#: 99558--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: Dave65
Date: November 24, 2025, 9:31 am
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If you need advice then you must submit your evidence here such
as photos of the signage and views of the car park.
The original PPN etc.
Has the drivers ID been given?
#Post#: 99582--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: owillow99
Date: November 24, 2025, 10:41 am
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I thought I uploaded the links via ImgBB - I've reattached them
here:
PCN:
HTML https://ibb.co/Y4fPXhSs
HTML https://ibb.co/Y4fPXhSs
HTML https://ibb.co/5XBYBNf9
HTML https://ibb.co/5XBYBNf9
My appeal with evidence:
HTML https://ibb.co/Kj5VQW13
HTML https://ibb.co/Kj5VQW13
Operator's response:
HTML https://ibb.co/RGXQ6Xhv
HTML https://ibb.co/RGXQ6Xhv
More evidence of no signs on entry:
HTML https://ibb.co/LXSz2Pst
HTML https://ibb.co/LXSz2Pst
HTML https://ibb.co/LDNndPPc
HTML https://ibb.co/LDNndPPc
HTML https://i.ibb.co/nNrs50Kc/Photo1.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/LXSz2Pst
HTML https://i.ibb.co/kVmQ2yyw/Photo2.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/LDNndPPc
#Post#: 99583--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: owillow99
Date: November 24, 2025, 10:42 am
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--- Quote from: Dave65 link ---
>
> If you need advice then you must submit your evidence here
such as photos of the signage and views of the car park.
>
> The original PPN etc.
>
> Has the drivers ID been given?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes it has.
#Post#: 99600--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: b789
Date: November 24, 2025, 11:41 am
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Oh dear. What a waste of effort you went through to appeal and
then the Kangaroo court that is the IAS. You also proverbially
blew both feet off with a single shot by identifying the driver.
If only you'd come here before any appeals.
For future reference do not ever, EVER identify the driver if
you receive a PCN. Only refer to the driver in the third person.
No "I did this or that". only "the driver did this or that". Too
late for that in this case.
You have nit dsaiow us the original Notice to Keeper (NtK). The
reminder is as useful as a poke in that arm with a sharp stick.
Does the original NtK state "period of parking"?
The timestamped evidential photos only show a span of a couple
of minutes. Not enough time to evidence that any contract was
formed with the driver. Their own Code of Practice requires them
to give a minimum consideration period of 5 minutes before a PCN
can be issued.
Also, their signage is in breach of the CoP.
You are in the midst of a scam. The mendacious IAS appeal
rejection is not binding on you. DO NOT pay. If you follow the
advice, you won't be paying a penny to these scammers.
FOr now, you can safely ignore all useless debt recovery letters
that are going to come your way. Debt collectors are powerless
to do anything except to try and intimidate the low-hanging
fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and
fear.
Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) and we can
take it from there.
#Post#: 99612--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: owillow99
Date: November 24, 2025, 12:24 pm
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Yeah felt it was a scam straight away.
I will not be paying a penny and will ignore as advised. Thank
you.
I don't have the original PCN, but a friend of mine also
received the same PCN and I appealed for us both. Here is their
original PCN.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/yFsG9Yx9/PHOTO-2025-08-26-07-48-14.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/zVfjM7tM
#Post#: 103965--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: owillow99
Date: December 29, 2025, 6:12 am
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Hi there,
Just posting this letter I received in the post before I receive
the inevitable Letter of Claim they have now threatened to send.
[url=
HTML https://ibb.co/VdVHRXD]
HTML https://ibb.co/VdVHRXD
#Post#: 103970--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: December 29, 2025, 7:19 am
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--- Quote from: owillow99 link ---
>
> Hi there,
>
> Just posting this letter I received in the post before I
receive the inevitable Letter of Claim they have now threatened
to send.
>
>
> [url=
HTML https://ibb.co/VdVHRXD]
>
>
HTML https://ibb.co/VdVHRXD
>
--- End Quote ---
This is a standard begging debt collectors letter so can safely
be ignored.
There appears to be a number of inconsistencies with this case
so far which we need to clear up.
Firstly, were you initially issued with a paper Notice to Driver
which would have been left on the vehicle at the time of the
parking event?
Then, the reminder letter states, 'You have been named as the
driver' - Is that true? Are you actually the keeper? How did
they find out that you were the driver by the date of the
reminder notice?
Thirdly, if you are the keeper then did you ever receive a
Notice to Keeper through the post?
#Post#: 103985--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: b789
Date: December 29, 2025, 9:45 am
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That is just BW Legal acting as a useless debt collector. They
will eventually issue an LoC and then a claim. However, for now,
you do not need to respond to that letter. When they issue an
LoC, let us know and we will provide a suitable response.
I am assuming that the photos you showed us of the car park with
no entrance sign are yours. If so, keep them as valuable
evidence. Also, you need to extract the metadata and get those
photos timestamped with that data. No entrance sign is a clear
breach of the CoP and means that no contract cold have been
formed with you (the driver, which should never have
identified).
Also, do you have the correspondence where they admit that the
signs were not there due to vandalism? That is also crucial
evidence.
Also, you need to get a close up photo of the sign they say
forms the contract. We need to see the wording on it to evaluate
if it is even capable of forming a contract.
#Post#: 103987--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for parking w/o any visible signage - Appeal dismissed
by IAS.
DIR By: owillow99
Date: December 29, 2025, 10:23 am
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--- Quote from: owillow99 link ---
>
> Hi there,
>
> Just posting this letter I received in the post before I
receive the inevitable Letter of Claim they have now threatened
to send.
>
>
> [url=
HTML https://ibb.co/VdVHRXD]
>
>
HTML https://ibb.co/VdVHRXD
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: InterCity125 link ---
>
> [quote author=owillow99 link=topic=8897.msg103965#msg103965
date=1767010367]
> Hi there,
>
> Just posting this letter I received in the post before I
receive the inevitable Letter of Claim they have now threatened
to send.
>
>
> [url=
HTML https://ibb.co/VdVHRXD]
>
>
HTML https://ibb.co/VdVHRXD
>
--- End Quote ---
This is a standard begging debt collectors letter so can safely
be ignored.
There appears to be a number of inconsistencies with this case
so far which we need to clear up.
Firstly, were you initially issued with a paper Notice to Driver
which would have been left on the vehicle at the time of the
parking event?
Then, the reminder letter states, 'You have been named as the
driver' - Is that true? Are you actually the keeper? How did
they find out that you were the driver by the date of the
reminder notice?
Thirdly, if you are the keeper then did you ever receive a
Notice to Keeper through the post?
[/quote]
I was issued with a paper ticket that I posted in an above post.
The letter sent through named me as driver as when I appealed
through the IAS it required me to state I was the driver. I am
not the keeper of the car and the keeper (a relative) has not
received anything through the post.
No Notice to Keeper has been sent to anyone through the post.
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