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Re: EuroCarPark - Overstay - Crown Street, Bolton
By: azy2k9 Date: March 9, 2026, 11:18 am
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The app had this receipt in there, it does show timestamps:
15/09/2025 10:17 AM - 15/09/2025 4:17 PM
6 hours duration
RingGo App Receipt
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/15uxJyIsw9sqjlNzdajLDTBMT8xo8OKAJ/view?usp=sharing
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Re: EuroCarPark - Overstay - Crown Street, Bolton
By: InterCity125 Date: March 10, 2026, 2:24 am
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Perfect.
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Re: EuroCarPark - Overstay - Crown Street, Bolton
By: azy2k9 Date: March 10, 2026, 9:24 am
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What are my next steps then? Does the receipt help? It does seem
to me like i missed the grace period by 1 minute unfortunately
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Re: EuroCarPark - Overstay - Crown Street, Bolton
By: azy2k9 Date: March 11, 2026, 1:56 pm
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Bumping this, just concious the deadline to respond to this is
another 12 days i think (23rd March)
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Re: EuroCarPark - Overstay - Crown Street, Bolton
By: InterCity125 Date: March 12, 2026, 3:01 am
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Nothing to worry about.
I'll jot something down later.
You do not need to worry about jumping through THEIR hoops.
They are trying to condition you in to thinking that they are in
charge and you are the subordinate.
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Re: EuroCarPark - Overstay - Crown Street, Bolton
By: azy2k9 Date: March 12, 2026, 3:06 am
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Awesome, thank you so much!
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Re: EuroCarPark - Overstay - Crown Street, Bolton
By: InterCity125 Date: March 12, 2026, 3:46 am
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You could reply to the letter of claim with the following;
[font=Serif]To whom it may concern.
I am the Registered Keeper of the vehicle in question and I
write in that capacity.
Liability for the debt is robustly refuted and no monies are
owned by myself to your parking operator client.
For the purposes of clarity (and in order to avoid a further
waste of time and costs) I will make the following points;
That I understand the driver entered your client's car park and
promptly found a suitable bay and parked up.
That the driver then, immediately, whilst sat in the vehicle,
using your client's approved 'phone app', examined the available
parking options.
That the driver then selected the advertised option of '6 hours
parking' at a total cost of £3.40p.
That the driver promptly made payment within the 'app' and was
immediately issued with a confirmation of contract which
specifically set out the terms of the parking session which was
purchased.
That the confirmation of contract confirms that a 6 hour session
was offered by your client and subsequently purchased at 10.17am
on the date in question.
That the same confirmation of contract confirms that the expiry
of the session was 4.17pm on the same date.
That the operators Code of Practice states that drivers be
afforded a minimum of 10 minutes grace period at the end of a
parking session.
That with the 'grace period' the parking session should end by
4.27pm.
That your operators own evidence shows the vehicle leaving their
managed land at 4.28pm.
That it is quite conceivable that the actual parking session
finished by 4.27pm since the ANPR cameras at the entrance / exit
do not consider the time taken to reach the exit (from the
parking bay) after a parking session has finished.
That whilst the ANPR method of establishing 'time on site' may
be relied upon in the majority of situations, the ANPR method
has a clear and demonstrable inherent weakness when the timings
of parking sessions become extremely tight - this is one such
instance.
I feel that this robustly sets out the true legal position which
relates to this dispute.
Based on the above, liability is firmly denied.
Best wishes,
xxxxx xxxxxxxx[/font]
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Re: EuroCarPark - Overstay - Crown Street, Bolton
By: ixxy Date: March 12, 2026, 7:04 am
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I don't think your argument about grace periods is very solid to
be honest and not applicable in this case as the OP stayed 11
minutes beyond the end of the parking session anyway. The PPC
will argue you need to purchase enough time to cover the time
between entering and exiting. That's how ANPR enforcement works.
If you can successfully argue that entrance and exit times
aren't applicable, only the unknown period of actual parking you
FUBAR the entire industry overnight. What's to stop a motorist
entering a car park, parking, wandering into town, paying for
parking an hour after parking. The only line of reasonable
defence I can see is the Ringo receipt stating a session period.
That is misleading, it should have merely stated the duration
purchased.
If you have evidence the app malfunctioned preventing you from
extending your parking I'd use that as clear defence,
frustration of contract. Were there any other payment options
you could have used, payment machines for example.
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Re: EuroCarPark - Overstay - Crown Street, Bolton
By: DWMB2 Date: March 12, 2026, 7:15 am
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[quote author=ixxy link=topic=8884.msg112967#msg112967
date=1773317064]
What's to stop a motorist entering a car park, parking,
wandering into town, paying for parking an hour after parking.
[/quote]
I'd like to hold out enough faith in the English County Court
system to hope that at least some judges could see a material
difference between someone entering a car park, purchasing
parking 5 minutes later, and accepting the 'expiry time' on the
payment app in good faith, versus someone paying for parking an
hour later and trying to argue that their parking session only
started when they paid.
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Re: EuroCarPark - Overstay - Crown Street, Bolton
By: InterCity125 Date: March 12, 2026, 7:45 am
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[quote author=ixxy link=topic=8884.msg112967#msg112967
date=1773317064]
I don't think your argument about grace periods is very solid to
be honest and not applicable in this case as the OP stayed 11
minutes beyond the end of the parking session anyway. The PPC
will argue you need to purchase enough time to cover the time
between entering and exiting. That's how ANPR enforcement works.
If you can successfully argue that entrance and exit times
aren't applicable, only the unknown period of actual parking you
FUBAR the entire industry overnight. What's to stop a motorist
entering a car park, parking, wandering into town, paying for
parking an hour after parking. The only line of reasonable
defence I can see is the Ringo receipt stating a session period.
That is misleading, it should have merely stated the duration
purchased.
If you have evidence the app malfunctioned preventing you from
extending your parking I'd use that as clear defence,
frustration of contract. Were there any other payment options
you could have used, payment machines for example.
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I disagree.
Firstly, the defendant has demonstrated that the driver acted
reasonably in all instances - they entered the car park, parked
up and paid - all done in quick succession and well within
reasonable time based on the circumstances.
Secondly, if the parking operator wanted to base it's charges on
'entry time' then it could easily do that using the ANPR data
which was gathered at entry - it's a the operator's commercial
choice not to do that - that is not the fault of the defendant
and the defendant cannot be made liable due to the inadequacies
of the parking operators methods of operation.
Thirdly, this is a consumer contract dispute and , as such, the
confirmation of contract will be the centre-point of the case
and therefore undefeatable by the Claimant - the contents of the
established contract will dictate the timings and not other
implied interpretations.
Fourthly, how 'ANPR enforcement works' is irrelevant if the
parking operator allows a contract to be formed which is not
based on the precise entry time - the law does not exist to make
ANPR enforcement workable - ANPR enforcement is demonstrably
unreliable when entry / exit times are very tight (vs the
parking time purchased) since entry and exit times don't
actually demonstrate the exact period of parking.
Fifthly, de minimis principle - the alleged contravention period
is ridiculously tiny - any claim would immediately represent
unreasonable conduct by the Claimant.
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