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#Post#: 99358--------------------------------------------------
Warwickshire County Council - Code 30 Parked for longer than
permitted
DIR By: LongTimeLurker
Date: November 22, 2025, 3:18 pm
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Hi all,
Thank you for taking the time to read, and offer input if you do
so.
My vehicle received a PCN on Millers Road in Warwick, for
allegedly staying longer than permitted.
Signs state:
8am-8pm
Permit holders only
Or
30 mins no return within 1 hour
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/LXNN2Ve1DUA4bYFx7
The PCN was received between these hours, stating it was
observed between 12:13 and 12:57, however all provided evidence
is timestamped as 12:57, there is nothing to indicate that the
vehicle had been present for longer than allowed.
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/AGPFE3R
Many thanks
#Post#: 99361--------------------------------------------------
Re: Warwickshire County Council - Code 30 Parked for longer than
permitted
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 22, 2025, 3:45 pm
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The CEO will have notes of first observation and possibly valve
positions.
At 12:13 you got 30 mins plus 10 mins grace = 12:53 so it looks
like the PCN was correctly issued at 12:57.
Why were you late getting back to car?
#Post#: 99364--------------------------------------------------
Re: Warwickshire County Council - Code 30 Parked for longer than
permitted
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 22, 2025, 6:12 pm
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The PCN does not contain mandatory PCN content information as
per the The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions
(Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022 namely
Regulation 3(1)(c)
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2022/9780348232752/part/2/chapter/1
This is an important item of information, because poeple have
submitted representations against the paper PCN found on their
car, and when a Notice to Owner arrives by post, have not
re-submitted those reps, because they had had no response to
them when the PCN arrived. This clause therefore warns the PCN
recipient that even if reps have been submitted, they must be
resubmitted if an NtO is served. If they aren't the recipient
loses any futher appeal options, so omitting it is a serious
procedural impropriety.
#Post#: 99401--------------------------------------------------
Re: Warwickshire County Council - Code 30 Parked for longer than
permitted
DIR By: LongTimeLurker
Date: November 23, 2025, 8:16 am
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No reason of relevance for the delay in returning.
Thank you for the information. On the rear of the PCN it does
state that
"making an informal challenge does not prevent the owner from
making formal representations upon receipt of the Notice to
Owner"
and also in reference to the NtO
"The owner can either pay or make representations and may appeal
to an independent adjudicator if their representations are
rejected. The NtO will contain instructions on how to do this".
Am I understanding correctly that they should have stated that
representations MUST be made to the enforcement agency as
directed in the NtO if received, as any informal representations
would then be irrelevant? (e.g. if I were to submit an informal
appeal after the NtO were generated but prior to reaching me, I
would never have an appeal considered?)
If that is the case, would you consider the below be a suitable
appeal?
Good afternoon,
The issued PCN does not contain the required statutory
information as per The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic
Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England)
Regulations 2022 - Regulation 3(1)(c) and therefore does not
confirm with rules required for a PCN to be valid.
I therefore reject the validity of this PCN and require
confirmation that you have deemed it void.
Apologies for the extra questions, just ensuring I am fully
understanding this before submitting anything.
#Post#: 99431--------------------------------------------------
Re: Warwickshire County Council - Code 30 Parked for longer than
permitted
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 23, 2025, 12:07 pm
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You understand it correctly. Regulation 3(1)(c) specifically
states that the PCN recipient must respond to a Notice to Owner
even if informal reps have already been submitted
#Post#: 109099--------------------------------------------------
Re: Warwickshire County Council - Code 30 Parked for longer than
permitted
DIR By: LongTimeLurker
Date: February 8, 2026, 12:06 pm
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I received an initial rejection of the appeal, which didn't
properly acknowledge the initial point made.
A NtO has now been received - is it suggested to raise the same
appeal at this stage in the hope that someone with more sense
reads it, or is there a different approach to take at this
stage?
Kind Regards,
Zayd
#Post#: 109101--------------------------------------------------
Re: Warwickshire County Council - Code 30 Parked for longer than
permitted
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: February 8, 2026, 12:14 pm
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Please post up the rejection, only redacting yr name & address.
#Post#: 109103--------------------------------------------------
Re: Warwickshire County Council - Code 30 Parked for longer than
permitted
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 8, 2026, 12:19 pm
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Do you have anything else to add to your reps at all.
Reason to ask is that the TPT seem to now have been totally
captured by the councils and claiming that an error on a PCN
that doesn't prejudice the appellant is irrelevant, despite
Parliament putting in the Statutory Grounds of "Procedural
Impropriety" into the Traffic Management Act 2004. I cannot see
how an adjudicator can over-rule the requirements established by
Parliament, but they'll get away with it until it's ruled on by
a Judicial Review.
#Post#: 109105--------------------------------------------------
Re: Warwickshire County Council - Code 30 Parked for longer than
permitted
DIR By: LongTimeLurker
Date: February 8, 2026, 12:23 pm
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Apologies, went to the effort of uploading it and forgot to add
the link!
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/XshN4cc
#Post#: 109106--------------------------------------------------
Re: Warwickshire County Council - Code 30 Parked for longer than
permitted
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 8, 2026, 12:28 pm
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--- Quote from: LongTimeLurker link ---
>
> Apologies, went to the effort of uploading it and forgot to
add the link!
>
>
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/XshN4cc
>
--- End Quote ---
So your only point made in your informal reps has been mentioned
then totally ignored. This is a 'failure to consider", and
should go into your reps against the NtO.
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