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EURO CAR PARK OVERSTAY SHELL PETROL STATION
By: Mocede28 Date: November 22, 2025, 8:24 am
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Hello to all.
I hope you are all good and well.
I’ve not had good luck recently and been issued in the post
today 22/11/25 a letter as follows in the screenshot.
Truth is I didn’t realise the petrol station was monitored by
euro car parks. I actually came here to
Drop a UPS parcel as it’s the only Q locker access point in
Newport. Asked lady on till in shell, I have an ups parcel to
drop off and where the lockers are, she said I need to park at
the back and the lockers are there. I found the lockers but
after drop off in the lockers it wouldn’t provide a drop off
receipt via text or email despite following the on screen
instructions. Waited a few mins and still no receipt. Since it
was evening I thought I’ll wait till morning. So the next day (
day of PCN) I attended there again to see if I scan the photo of
label and get my receipt, still no help so I rang UPS on the
spot and it took me one hour to settle this on the phone and
then i left after it was resolved. It was a £1400 iphone 17 pro
max I was posting hence I was desperate for the drop off
receipt.
I appreciate any help or questions.
Kind regards
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Re: EURO CAR PARK OVERSTAY SHELL PETROL STATION
By: jfollows Date: November 22, 2025, 8:26 am
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Please read and act on
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/,<br
/>which includes a link on how to post images here.
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Re: EURO CAR PARK OVERSTAY SHELL PETROL STATION
By: Mocede28 Date: November 22, 2025, 8:30 am
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I’m sorry I’m finding it difficult to add photos of PCN.
I managed to use a host to upload photos for viewing. Sorry
things have changed since I last been here.
HTML https://ibb.co/8gRGr9MX
HTML https://ibb.co/FCTzxS0
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Re: EURO CAR PARK OVERSTAY SHELL PETROL STATION
By: Mocede28 Date: November 22, 2025, 8:32 am
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[quote author=jfollows link=topic=8875.msg99304#msg99304
date=1763821576]
Please read and act on
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/,<br
/>which includes a link on how to post images here.
[/quote]
Thank you jfollows that’s exactly what I ended up doing. Seen
your reply after I posted the photo links.
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Re: EURO CAR PARK OVERSTAY SHELL PETROL STATION
By: b789 Date: November 22, 2025, 8:44 am
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Initial appeal won't work but you may then be able to persuade a
moronic POPLA assessor that you are not liable as the Keeper. If
that doesn't work, you will have to ignore all the useless debt
recovery letters you will receive and the eventual county court
debt claim. However, I can guarantee with greater than 99.9%
certainty that if you follow the advice you receive here and
defend with the template defence, the claim will eventually be
either struck out or discontinued.
If unsuccessful at POPLA, expect the whole process to take 9-12+
months. To start you just need a simple appeal to ECP and when
rejected you can make a more detailed appeal to POPLA.
There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient
of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the
unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.
The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which
means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot
transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the
known keeper.
Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove
anything from it:
[quote]I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your
'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement
and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to
your client landowner.
As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL
the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper
of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even
substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no
admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions
can be drawn. ECP has relied on contract law allegations of
breach against the driver only.
The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
ECP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a
complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.[/quote]
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Re: EURO CAR PARK OVERSTAY SHELL PETROL STATION
By: Mocede28 Date: November 22, 2025, 11:07 am
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Thank you b789.
I will copy and paste this directly to ECP appeal portal on
their website. When I hear back from them I will copy and paste
the reply here.
As for POPLA I have lost all hope for any fair dealing as a lack
of common sense from their moronic accessors as you rightly
mentioned. I know this from a previous appeal experience.
Thanks to all.
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Re: EURO CAR PARK OVERSTAY SHELL PETROL STATION
By: Mocede28 Date: November 22, 2025, 11:21 am
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Forgot to mention to you b789.
I know you said copy and paste this appeal to ecp and no need to
edit. However I was thinking if it’s better
to polish the appeal so it doesn’t seem harsh to attain higher
appeal acceptance rate?
While I totally agree the NtK doesn’t fully comply. You know
what people are like nowadays, the person reviewing the appeal
might take it personally and reject it despite knowing it
doesn’t fully comply so why not give me the pleasure of headache
by dealing through POPLA appeal since they also got nothing to
lose. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Maybe I’m thinking too much I’m sorry for asking and no
disrespect Intended in any way.
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Re: EURO CAR PARK OVERSTAY SHELL PETROL STATION
By: jfollows Date: November 22, 2025, 11:27 am
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Use the appeal as written.
People who amend suggested appeals from [member=26]b789[/member]
usually shoot themselves in the foot in the process.
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Re: EURO CAR PARK OVERSTAY SHELL PETROL STATION
By: Mocede28 Date: November 22, 2025, 3:48 pm
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ECP appeal portal is purposely difficult to navigate. Now on the
appeal section it doesn’t show my character count and neither
lets me paste the whole section. The paste stops at “ Your NtK
can only hold the driver liable. ECP have no”
After this it won’t allow me to write anything further. Please
advise [member=26]b789[/member].
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Re: EURO CAR PARK OVERSTAY SHELL PETROL STATION
By: b789 Date: November 22, 2025, 8:17 pm
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Use their “Contact us” form and upload the appeal as a pdf file.
HTML https://www.eurocarparks.com/enquiry/
You are showing a naivety that will not serve you well in this
process. Do not imagine for one moment that there is some
reasonable person going to actually review your appeal. The
initial appeal will NEVER be successful.
They see the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree a mile off.
Write what you want if you think that wasting your time and
effort will make a difference. Please don’t come back later and
tell us how disappointed you are.
You’ve asked for advice and it has been given. This will almost
certainly end up as a county court claim issued by DCB Legal. If
you defend the claim with the advice we provide, you won’t pay a
penny. Or, if you want, try it your way.
Just do a search of the forum for any ECP PCN.
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