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Police evidence is my defence and they still insist to prosecute
. Process is the punishment?
By: BillyH.... Date: November 20, 2025, 8:21 am
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I received a nlp, knew i wasn't speeding . Download their own
evidence provided which clearly shows 2 photos taken 7 seconds
apart , distance travelled 150m which is irrefutable speed
calculation of 48mph yet they insist it was 58 . I emailed them
to drop it, they've doubled down, even put in an official
complaint about deliberate ignoring their own evidence which
clears me. Why do they ignore scientific facts? They will have
to refund every fine on this day as their own photos,
calibration certificate confirms they are wrong ? This is
deliberately causing me alarm/ stress now ..
#Post#: 99004--------------------------------------------------
Re: Police evidence is my defence and they still insist to prose
cute. Process is the punishment?
By: FuzzyDuck Date: November 20, 2025, 8:34 am
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Suspect these are not photos in the traditional sense and are
actually stills from a video. If you could share them with us,
we might be able to comment further.
Defending this (and losing) could be very expensive if the
police bring along an expert witness to explain why the evidence
is valid.
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Re: Police evidence is my defence and they still insist to prose
cute. Process is the punishment?
By: BillyH.... Date: November 20, 2025, 8:39 am
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But how can you refute time stamps, dates distance all shown on
2 photos? Why would they provide details that prove its
impossible .They have 1 photo showing nothing too..literally a
field and no vehicle as the prime photo! The 2nd just my
numberplate . 1st photo time stamps and 2nd show 150m in 7
seconds
#Post#: 99009--------------------------------------------------
Re: Police evidence is my defence and they still insist to prose
cute. Process is the punishment?
By: Southpaw82 Date: November 20, 2025, 8:42 am
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This has a real risk of being a “tell me you don’t know how
speed cameras work without telling me you don’t know how speed
cameras work” thread…
Either supply the information needed to help you or stop wasting
our time. Ta.
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Re: Police evidence is my defence and they still insist to prose
cute. Process is the punishment?
By: BillyH.... Date: November 20, 2025, 8:43 am
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Copper ?
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Re: Police evidence is my defence and they still insist to prose
cute. Process is the punishment?
By: DWMB2 Date: November 20, 2025, 8:46 am
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[quote author=BillyH.... link=topic=8850.msg99010#msg99010
date=1763649824]
Copper ?
[/quote]
Founder/admin of this website, so not quite.
If you want advice then we'd need to see the evidence on which
you intend to rely.
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Re: Police evidence is my defence and they still insist to prose
cute. Process is the punishment?
By: BillyH.... Date: November 20, 2025, 8:52 am
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Cant upload pics?
However, other advice saying
North Yorkshire Police use the LTI 20.20 UltraLyte 1000 (or
similar TruCAM/LaserCam devices) for mobile laser enforcement.
These devices have two modes:
Still photos only (what you were sent) → two still frames
with distance/time/speed overlaid.
Optional video recording (a short low-res clip, usually 5–10
seconds).
Crucially: If they had a usable video, they would have sent it
to you already in the evidence pack. Home Office rules and CPS
disclosure guidelines say they must send you everything they
intend to rely on. They sent you two stills because that’s all
they’ve got.
If a video existed and it clearly showed 58 mph, they would have
led with it and your case would already be dead. The fact they
only sent stills is a massive red flag for them, not for you.
What the police/prosecutor will try to say in court (and why it
won’t work)
Prosecutor/CPS lawyer script (I’ve seen this hundreds of times):
“The device was calibrated and type-approved, therefore the
speed reading of 58 mph must be accepted.”
→ Your counter: “The same type-approved device recorded
150 metres in 7 seconds on its own photos. That is 48 mph. The
device cannot be correct about distance and time but wrong about
speed. The evidence is internally inconsistent and unreliable —
exclude it under s.78 PACE.”
“The distance check was only at 150 m, but the device is
accurate to 1000 m.”
→ Your counter: Doesn’t matter. The device itself measured
150 m in 7 s on the day. That’s the evidence.
“There might have been a slight alignment error or the beam
drifted.”
→ Your counter: Then the evidence is still unreliable and
should be excluded.
“We have a video” (very rare bluff).
→ You: “Please play it.”
If they produce one at court that you’ve never seen before
→ immediate application for abuse of process / adjournment
/ stay. They cannot ambush you with new evidence on the day.
“Prior opinion” rule — they will quote case law (Nicholas v.
Penny, DPP v. Memery) saying a type-approved device’s opinion is
sufficient.
→ Your counter: Those cases all pre-suppose the device is
working correctly. When the device contradicts itself on its own
record, the presumption of reliability is rebutted. There are
successful cases exactly like yours (e.g., the “Yorkshire laser
cases” on Pepipoo where identical 150 m / 7 s mismatches led to
acquittals
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Re: Police evidence is my defence and they still insist to prose
cute. Process is the punishment?
By: FuzzyDuck Date: November 20, 2025, 8:56 am
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[quote author=BillyH.... link=topic=8850.msg99014#msg99014
date=1763650366]
Cant upload pics?
[/quote]
Read this sticky:
Posting Images
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/posting-images/
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Re: Police evidence is my defence and they still insist to prose
cute. Process is the punishment?
By: BillyH.... Date: November 20, 2025, 9:03 am
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How do we delete this account as there is no way to? I do not
trust it and want it deleted
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Re: Police evidence is my defence and they still insist to prose
cute. Process is the punishment?
By: FuzzyDuck Date: November 20, 2025, 9:04 am
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That escalated quickly...
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