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#Post#: 98991--------------------------------------------------
UKPC: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
By: Plywood-Enthusiast Date: November 20, 2025, 7:44 am
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Hello All
Got a parking ticket out doing a delivery shift with someone
else's car (properly insured to do so), driver is not the
keeper. I delivered to two buildings from the locations from the
online retailer.
I have access to a payment page showing my delivery shift. But
not the addresses I deliver to - as you can imagine with GDPR
they dont now want us to hang on to addresses and names we
deliver, any longer than necessary.
I also have a third party motor insurance that covers for the
shifts and they independqantly have an engaged and disengaged
time which shows when I started my shift and when I did my last
delivery. That could be a 2nd evidence for my delivery.
I would have been able to provide exact proof that I was doing
deliveries if I had screenshotted the app while I was on the
shift. The attendant did not issue a windscreen ticket and took
photos and went via letter route - is that proper way to do it?
If I had a CCTV ticket, the operater would have seen my taken
out parcel to deliver and see the total time I was there did not
exceed more than 10 minutes. I could have raised that issue with
POPLA - requesting them provde the full footage of the stay and
to review the footage to see if I took parcels out.
Since the attendant was there - they should give me a windscreen
ticket so I know about the penality at the time and take my
screenshots.
A very long time ago I successfully appealed these tickets
through POPLA with the NTK/NTO. I completely forgot which was
which. Appealed on grounds of liability does not transfer etc.
The land lacks signage and looks like derelict land, you cannot
even notice any bay markings there. I do not think I drove by
any signs. The photo of the sign theey shows was quite far back
in the wall, under a nasty leaky aircon unit. That could be
mistaken for a urination spot - who wants to walk up there?
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Re: UKPC: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
By: Plywood-Enthusiast Date: November 20, 2025, 7:51 am
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To save everyone some time. here are the attendant photos. It
wasnt that I never found a windscreen ticket on my windscreen.
they never put any on. As evidenced by their own photos. Please
note the elapsed time on the photos. They dont span very long.
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#Post#: 98999--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
By: InterCity125 Date: November 20, 2025, 8:20 am
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You may wish to amend your original post so the driver is not
identified.
The NtK is not PoFA compliant so there is no keeper liability -
the period of parking is not stated - whilst the additional
pictures may show a period of parking, these are not shown on
the NtK.
#Post#: 99003--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
By: Plywood-Enthusiast Date: November 20, 2025, 8:34 am
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[quote author=InterCity125 link=topic=8849.msg98999#msg98999
date=1763648442]
You may wish to amend your original post so the driver is not
identified.
The NtK is not PoFA compliant so there is no keeper liability -
the period of parking is not stated - whilst the additional
pictures may show a period of parking, these are not shown on
the NtK.
[/quote]
Thanks. I think I sorted out the identification of the driver. I
presume it was the relation to keeper mentioned? and nothing
else?
The insurance documents will have driver details. I presume I
present that evidence at the POPLA appeal and never to UKPC.
#Post#: 99007--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
By: jfollows Date: November 20, 2025, 8:41 am
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[quote author=Plywood-Enthusiast
link=topic=8849.msg99003#msg99003 date=1763649267]
[quote author=InterCity125 link=topic=8849.msg98999#msg98999
date=1763648442]
You may wish to amend your original post so the driver is not
identified.
The NtK is not PoFA compliant so there is no keeper liability -
the period of parking is not stated - whilst the additional
pictures may show a period of parking, these are not shown on
the NtK.
[/quote]
Thanks. I think I sorted out the identification of the driver. I
presume it was the relation to keeper mentioned? and nothing
else?
[/quote]
You use the word “I” all the time. But if the keeper has named
you as the driver it doesn’t matter any more.
#Post#: 99013--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
By: Plywood-Enthusiast Date: November 20, 2025, 8:48 am
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oh that, "i" as in plywood enthusiast? Is that an issue?
No haven't been in touch with them at all. They dont know who
the driver is.
I'm just relaying my account to FTLA to give the full scope of
the issue.. POPLA stage hasn't started yet. I am looking for
advice on how to do the informal/internal appeal - its worth a
shot to appeal without giving any driver information - although
that would be difficult to do.
Is there a link on how to do the POFA non-complaint angle. If I
recall correctly, you wait just before 28 days to do the
internal appeal state the parking invoice is not pofa complaint
and ask for POPLA code and then hope they dont send out a POFA
compliant letter, wait 56 days since issuance of original letter
and tell POPLA they havent sent a POFA complaint letter.
I thought the lack of windscreen ticket was a major issue,
attendant clearly took photos in person so why didnt they issue
a ticket there and then?
#Post#: 99113--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
By: b789 Date: November 21, 2025, 2:40 am
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Jeez, what a waste of time and effort all this waffle about
insurance etc. All we need to know is whether the drivers
identity has been identified. You state you were the driver but
are not the Keeper of the vehicle.
Unless the Keeper has thrown you under the bus by identifying
you as the driver, you have no part to play in any appeal at
this stage. As the Notice to Keeper (NtK) is addressed to the
Keeper, only the named Keeper can appeal.
Irrespective of everything else, whether the driver has been
identified and they have received a new notice in their name or
whether the Keeper appeals in their capacity as the Keeper,
neither will pay a penny to UKPC if they follow the advice here.
Whilst the NtK is not PoFA compliant which means that the Keeper
cannot be liable if the driver is not identified, that does not
mean they will not continue to pursue this all the way to a
county court claim. There is very little chance that a POPLA
appeal would succeed either.
All you need to know is that once a county court claim is filed,
as long as it is defended with the template defence we provide,
it will, in due course, be discontinued.
All you need to know for now, is that all debt recovery letters
can be safely ignored as debt collectors are powerless to do
anything except to try and intimidate the low-hanging fruit on
the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.
So, the first thing we need to know, has the driver been
identified? If not, then the Keeper has to do the appeal. We
will advise on that once the status of the driver is known.
Identified or not.
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Re: UKPC: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
By: Plywood-Enthusiast Date: November 21, 2025, 12:12 pm
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[quote author=b789 link=topic=8849.msg99113#msg99113
date=1763714432]
Jeez, what a waste of time and effort all this waffle about
insurance etc. All we need to know is whether the drivers
identity has been identified. You state you were the driver but
are not the Keeper of the vehicle.
Unless the Keeper has thrown you under the bus by identifying
you as the driver, you have no part to play in any appeal at
this stage. As the Notice to Keeper (NtK) is addressed to the
Keeper, only the named Keeper can appeal.
Irrespective of everything else, whether the driver has been
identified and they have received a new notice in their name or
whether the Keeper appeals in their capacity as the Keeper,
neither will pay a penny to UKPC if they follow the advice here.
Whilst the NtK is not PoFA compliant which means that the Keeper
cannot be liable if the driver is not identified, that does not
mean they will not continue to pursue this all the way to a
county court claim. There is very little chance that a POPLA
appeal would succeed either.
All you need to know is that once a county court claim is filed,
as long as it is defended with the template defence we provide,
it will, in due course, be discontinued.
All you need to know for now, is that all debt recovery letters
can be safely ignored as debt collectors are powerless to do
anything except to try and intimidate the low-hanging fruit on
the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.
So, the first thing we need to know, has the driver been
identified? If not, then the Keeper has to do the appeal. We
will advise on that once the status of the driver is known.
Identified or not.
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That has been address in my post just before^
[quote author=Plywood-Enthusiast
link=topic=8849.msg99013#msg99013 date=1763650124]
No haven't been in touch with them at all. They dont know who
the driver is.
[/quote]
RK is a member of the household. It's not a nod and a wink
"someone who isn't the keeper did that", genuinly RK and driver
are two seperate people.
For the time being I will draft an informal appeal to UKPC and
send it through the RK to file.. just to get the POPLA case
reference.
#Post#: 99224--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
By: jfollows Date: November 21, 2025, 1:29 pm
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If you want help here, from people who do so out of interest and
because they want to help people, I suggest you need to be more
helpful in your interactions. Saying “I’ve already told you” to
someone trying to help isn’t going to advance your cause.
#Post#: 99251--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
By: DWMB2 Date: November 21, 2025, 4:10 pm
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The driver hasn't been identified. It would be sensible to keep
it that way.
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