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#Post#: 9574--------------------------------------------------
Coventry Bus Lane by Previous Owner
DIR By: Moetem
Date: November 8, 2023, 8:11 am
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Hi all,
Today I received a PCN for being in a bus lane on 14/10/2023
17:05.
At the time of the contravention I wasn't the owner of the
vehicle, nor the driver. It happened on 17:05 which is when the
owner was arriving to pick me up for a car viewing. I officially
bought the car 2 hours later, roughly after 7pm on that day. I
received only the green V5 at the time, as the owner transferred
the ownership on the DVLA website next day (or even 2 days
later)
Since the contravention took place almost a month ago and I only
received the letter today, I assume the previous owner appealed
it on grounds that he wasn't the owner anymore.
Attaching pictures of the PCN.
HTML https://ibb.co/8D8s3PW
HTML https://ibb.co/BCYd6Yb
HTML https://ibb.co/Ngvvs5T
HTML https://ibb.co/8Drqxjs
HTML https://ibb.co/zmXkL73
HTML https://ibb.co/Czjk9bv
Any ideas on how to push it back to the previous owner, or a
good way to formulate the appeal? Also how would I prove that I
bought the car after the contravention when it's on the same
day?
Thanks for your help,
Matt
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Re: Coventry Bus Lane by Previous Owner
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: November 8, 2023, 8:27 am
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First thing what proof would you have re time of purchase?
Before we finalise advice get and post the video
ATM it would say You can make representations but do this on
two grounds Firstly that the PCN is out of time and then that in
any case you were not the owner
but lets see the video first
#Post#: 9579--------------------------------------------------
Re: Coventry Bus Lane by Previous Owner
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: November 8, 2023, 8:32 am
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It may be just a latish PCN, 3 1/2 weeks is within time scale
and not unknown.
And that Coventry picked up your details after the DVLA change
of owner, if they did it online it could well be showing you as
owner on that day.
Gather evidence of sale, anything related, hopefully timed.
Bank Trnsfer
Taxed before driving away
Insurance.
Txts or emails arranging viewing
Receipts from shops at about that time
Phone or sat nav logs putting you elsewhere
Whatever???
More you can use as supporting evidence, more chance of No the
Owner ground being accepted, if not by council then by
adjudicator should it get that far
#Post#: 9589--------------------------------------------------
Re: Coventry Bus Lane by Previous Owner
DIR By: Moetem
Date: November 8, 2023, 9:25 am
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Ok thanks, I'm trying to find a way to get the video or images
of the contravention but it doesn't seem to be available online?
Am i wrong?
The letter advises to send a request via post which is
unbelievable in this age... I'll try to give them a ring or
something tomorrow.
In terms of proof I think I only have a screenshot of the bank
transaction which shows 14/10/2023 18:20.
Sadly the contract we signed only had the date but not the time.
It was from a private seller so there wasn't much paperwork
going around and we mostly spoke via phone calls, especially on
the date of sale. The last 2 phone calls I received from him
were on 17:04 (letting me know he's on the way) and 17:13
(letting me know he's around the corner to pick me up).
Oh and I also have the previous owner's V5C photos, taken 18:16
while we were filling in the paperwork.
Also the vehicle was still taxed and insured under the previous
owner when I took it home.
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Re: Coventry Bus Lane by Previous Owner
DIR By: Moetem
Date: November 8, 2023, 9:45 am
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Oh and I managed to fiddle around in my google maps app and find
the timeline of my trip to Coventry.
I arrived at Coventry at 15:16, walked around for a bit and then
sat in a coffee shop until 17:16 when the owner picked me up in
the car. Then we drove around for half an hour testing the car
and finished the trip at his home on 17:48 where we proceeded
with the transfer of ownership. Google even shows the photos I
took during that time which are of his old V5C document.
HTML https://ibb.co/16J1f4n
#Post#: 9598--------------------------------------------------
Re: Coventry Bus Lane by Previous Owner
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 8, 2023, 11:05 am
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It seems to me you have enough evidence of the time of taking
ownership, to submit a credible representation. You'll have to
give the vendor's name and address of course.
#Post#: 9621--------------------------------------------------
Re: Coventry Bus Lane by Previous Owner
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: November 8, 2023, 2:42 pm
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--- Quote from: Moetem link ---
> .......
> Also the vehicle was still taxed and insured under the
previous owner when I took it home.
>
--- End Quote ---
No it wasn't.
Tax does not transfer with ownership and the point of sale is
when ownership chnged.
Many will leave notifying DVLA or getting new tax for whatever
reason but you have just found one that really justifies.
Insurance is usually against named drivers, I doubt existing
insurance covered any driver.
Your own may have covered you DOV.
Even if it was all covered, having your own in place is the
sensible way, you are not going to be caught on way home and
find that you had none.
Sorry, rant over.
You seem to have plenty that can be used.
Put it all together with relevant screenshots, send in the
challenge on I was Not the Owner.
#Post#: 9996--------------------------------------------------
Re: Coventry Bus Lane by Previous Owner
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 12, 2023, 5:39 pm
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I suggest you type up a draft and put it on here for review.
#Post#: 11529--------------------------------------------------
Re: Coventry Bus Lane by Previous Owner
DIR By: Moetem
Date: November 29, 2023, 8:47 am
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Hi guys,
Apologies, I sent the representation to the council straight
away before your advice to post a draft here. The council came
back to me today with their rejection, to my surprise!. In
hindsight I suppose I shouldn't have rushed to appeal but I was
pretty confident it would be successful...
Please see my representation here:
HTML https://ibb.co/ZhB7Lkm
And their rejection letter:
HTML https://ibb.co/19M7ydd
HTML https://ibb.co/WvxBvWY
HTML https://ibb.co/7pbvq6X
HTML https://ibb.co/By7yqT8
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Re: Coventry Bus Lane by Previous Owner
DIR By: slapdash
Date: November 29, 2023, 11:26 am
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That is a total and utter failure to consider in my view.
They ask for proof but don't in anyway question the proof you
yave provided.
They are saying they will reconsider on proof, it may be
worthwhile doing that though others may have a different view.
That could avoid a trip to the tribunal.
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