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#Post#: 98323--------------------------------------------------
LB H&F Parking Fine
DIR By: flavenisl
Date: November 15, 2025, 7:03 pm
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Hello there,
I received a parking fine from LB H&F on a Saturday that was
also an event day.
Summary of issue:
I understood the sign at the roadside to mean that on an event
day that was a Saturday (ie. not the Monday to Friday in the
upper part of the sign), I could park for 2 hours for free,
between the hours of 9am - 10pm. My car was seen between 16.07
and 16.18 on an event day (Saturday). I received a PCN.
According to the PCN I was supposed to pay to park for a maximum
of 2 hours on a Saturday event day. This was not clear to me
based on the roadside signage, that makes no reference to a
Saturday at all, and makes no reference to paying on event days.
Have I completely misunderstood the sign and therefore should
pay the fine, or is there any reasonable grounds to appeal? I
would have thought that a reasonable person would not understand
from the roadside sign that they needed to pay on an event day
Saturday.
Roadsign, PCN and reply to initial appeal in pictures. Sorry, I
did an initial appeal, and yes I've left it a while to do
this..... can't go back in time.
Link to pics:
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/CsfTUl1#jykBswg
Location:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/CtGzpLyw5HSoDrrh9
Thank you
#Post#: 98333--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB H&F Parking Fine
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 16, 2025, 3:41 am
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Sorry to say it, but the sign seems clear enough to me. The
lower plate merely restricts the allowed parking period to 2
hours on event days, with the requirement to pay still applying.
You haven't posted the last page of their letter of rejection;
have they re-offered the discount ? If they have then I suggest
you pay it.
#Post#: 98352--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB H&F Parking Fine
DIR By: flavenisl
Date: November 16, 2025, 5:48 am
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Thank you for your comment.
I'll be honest, I don't understand how the sign makes it clear
that I have to pay on a Saturday (event day), but perhaps my
brain doesn't work in the same way as the majorities!
For my understanding, are you able to explain to me how the sign
is clear that I must pay on a Saturday event day?
Thank you
#Post#: 98355--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB H&F Parking Fine
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 16, 2025, 5:55 am
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I've looked at a number of event day schemes but not H&F.
The signage looks defective to me if the lower panel is supposed
to qualify the parking sign, and there's no mention in their
rejection of where event days are signed (presumably at zone
entry points).
I'll have a closer look later.
#Post#: 98357--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB H&F Parking Fine
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 16, 2025, 5:59 am
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There you are, a contrary view ! For me the sign seems clear,
but it may not be in accordance with the regulations on signs.
Bear in mind the council will refuse your reps, so you'd have to
take them to London Tribunals to test the matter. This means the
discount option is lost.
#Post#: 98463--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB H&F Parking Fine
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 17, 2025, 6:38 am
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This is the zone you were in. I can't see any event zone entry
signs but Google Maps isn't up to date enough around there. I
can see some match day zone entries but I think they are for
other zones possibly for Chelsea not Fulham.
I think the parking sign is inadequate in ambiguity and given
the council has not referenced zone signs I can't see they can
enforce this or at least may not be able to produce evidence to
show the tribunal.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/RGPyZ6p4/Screenshot-2025-11-17-at-11-54-52.png
#Post#: 98551--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB H&F Parking Fine
DIR By: flavenisl
Date: November 17, 2025, 3:37 pm
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> This is the zone you were in. I can't see any event zone entry
signs but Google Maps isn't up to date enough around there. I
can see some match day zone entries but I think they are for
other zones possibly for Chelsea not Fulham.
>
> I think the parking sign is inadequate in ambiguity and given
the council has not referenced zone signs I can't see they can
enforce this or at least may not be able to produce evidence to
show the tribunal.
>
>
HTML https://i.ibb.co/RGPyZ6p4/Screenshot-2025-11-17-at-11-54-52.png
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks Stamfordman.
I can't say I have ever noticed any event zone signs there, but
I could be wrong, and don't go there enough to go and check
unfortunately. Like you say, GSV is outdated.
When you say tribunal, do you know what that would consist of?
Thank you
#Post#: 98568--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB H&F Parking Fine
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 17, 2025, 4:45 pm
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Case in same zone.
Also let's get some more views on the sign.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/VYGT8WnC/Screenshot-2025-11-17-at-22-43-15.png
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Case reference
Appellant
Authority
VRM
PCN Details
PCN
Contravention date
Contravention time
Contravention location
Penalty amount
Contravention
Referral date
Decision Date
Adjudicator
Appeal decision
Direction
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons
The Appellant has attended his appeal by video link, the
Authority is not represented.
The Authority's case is that the Appellant's vehicle was parked
in a residents' or shared use parking place or zone without a
valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical
permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that
place where required, or without payment of the parking charge
when in Winslow Road on Sunday, 16 March 2025 at 10:29.
The Appellant's case is that there was nothing to indicate that
this particular Sunday was an Event/March day with additional
restrictions.
I have considered the evidence in this case and I find that this
contravention is not proved.
Sunday, 16 March 2025 may well have been an Event/Match day,
however, there is a requirement for this to be indicated on the
Controlled Parking signage when entering a particular Zone - in
this case the Zone that surrounds the football ground of the
local football team.
This Authority has failed to provide a map indicating the extent
of the Zone, where the CPZ signage is located and at least an
example of a CPZ sign recording that Sunday, 16 March 2025 was
an Event/Match day.
In the absence of such evidence I am not satisfied that the
Authority has proved this particular contravention.
The appeal is allowed.
#Post#: 99897--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB H&F Parking Fine
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 26, 2025, 7:54 am
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A case refused in this zone.
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Case reference
Appellant
Authority
VRM
PCN Details
PCN
Contravention date
Contravention time
Contravention location
Penalty amount
Contravention
Referral date
Decision Date
Adjudicator
Appeal decision
Direction
within 28 days.
Reasons
Mr Buckley appeals on two main grounds. Firstly he was parked
approximately a mile away from the football ground in which the
events are held. Given the size of London, it is not reasonable
to expect that a driver parking in this area should have to bear
in mind sporting events held a mile away. One would therefore
not expect to see signage referring to events in the football
ground in this area. Secondly he maintains that the signage at
this location is ambiguous. There is a sign on the right-hand
side of the road as one proceeds down Fulham Palace Road which
is behind some scaffolding, but still readable. There is no
indication of any restriction by reference to event days on that
sign. There is then no signage in Lochaline Road itself which
gives any information about event days.
Mr Winters spoke for the council during the hearing. He
recounted a detailed conversation he had had with someone in the
council with knowledge or developments in the area. That person
was able to say that the sign to which Mr Buckley referred was
not visible in April. It was covered by builder’s screens which
were mounted on the scaffolding on the building. It had only
become visible in the last few weeks when the screening was
removed. (Mr Buckley accepted that his photograph was taken
recently, after receiving the council's bundle of evidence.)
Mr Winters, with reference to the map that have been provided by
the council, argued that there were three signs in place at that
time on Fulham Palace Road marking the beginning of Zone T, and
that drivers could reasonably be expected to notice them, with
their stickers advertising the event days, and realize that they
were the signs most applicable to parking in Lochaline Street.
I did not give my decision during the hearing, and both the
council and Mr Buckley agreed to me consulting Google Maps
Street View before making my decision. I have now done so.
Firstly I make it clear that I am aware that the most relevant
images on Google Maps are dated October 2025, and therefore do
not indicate what the scene looked like in April. However the
street view in general does give me useful guidance as to how a
driver might approach the area and see signage.
The images do show the sign to which Mr Buckley refers,
partially visible through scaffolding. I find that it would be
difficult for a driver on the opposite side of the road to see
and properly read this sign passing it at normal driving speed.
This is also the sign which the council are quite sure was
covered by the white plastic screening earlier this year. The
images also show the sign on the near side, close to the
junction with St Dunstan’s Road. The sign has a sticker giving
the date of an event, and I have also seen the record produced
by the Council that an officer checked all of the signs on the
date of the alleged contravention, and confirmed that the
stickers were present.
I must decide whether the situation, looked at as a whole, gave
adequate warning to drivers regarding the restriction in place.
I see no reason to doubt the evidence provided by Mr Winters’
colleague that the sign to which Mr Buckley referred was covered
up at the time. The account given by Mr Winters of what he heard
was detailed and compelling. The photographic evidence produced
by Mr Buckley was taken after receiving the council's bundle,
and does not represent what the scene looked like in April. I
therefore find that there was more than one sign present at the
border of the zone, and that those signs did have stickers
advertising the event day. Mr Buckley parked a relatively short
distance inside the Zone. I am therefore satisfied that a driver
in his position would have been given adequate warning by the
signage, even if the area was a considerable distance away from
the football ground in which the events were being held. I
accept that this was an inadvertent error by Mr Buckley, but the
signs were there to be seen. I am therefore satisfied that this
contravention did occur.
This appeal is therefore dismissed, but I note that the council
is willing to accept the penalty at the discounted rate. This
should be paid within 21 days. If it is not paid in that time,
the penalty will revert to the full amount, to be paid within 28
days.
#Post#: 122278--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB H&F Parking Fine
DIR By: flavenisl
Date: June 18, 2026, 3:59 pm
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Hello there,
I am keen to resurrect this thread, as I have my tribunal
hearing next week.
I am still of the belief that the roadside sign at the parking
bay does not indicate a requirement to pay when an event day is
on a weekend. Some people have suggested that it is clear that
you must pay when the event day is on a weekend, however they
have been unable to explain to me how it is clear. If your
opinion is that it is clear there is a requirement to pay on a
weekend event day I would love to hear why you say that.
Any advice for the tribunal?
Thanks
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