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Enfield, 33c bus gate 33c, Bull Lane N18
DIR By: jackdh
Date: November 7, 2023, 2:26 pm
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I’ve received 2x PCNs for a bus gate violation on the morning of
24/10.
From reading other posts it appears it’s a new bus gate and a
bit of a deliberate trap as I can see a number of other drivers
who’ve been caught out.
Aware other posts have claimed the signage is accurate and
appropriate.
Our only mitigating factors are as follows:
1. That we’ve driven that route many times before and weren’t
aware of the change.
2. We would have avoided it if we’d have received the first PCN
(the two contraventions were just 2.5h apart so received them
both just this week)
3. I was dropping off my father for an appointment at the
hospital that borders the bus gate.
Would appreciate any advice/if it’s worth appealing!
Thanks
Jack
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Re: Enfield, 33c bus gate 33c, Bull Lane N18
DIR By: jackdh
Date: November 8, 2023, 1:38 am
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Sorry - realised you need the PCN and reg no.
For PCN 1:
PCN Number: EF96635685
Vehicle Registration Number: FV620WA
For PCN 2:
PCN Number: EF96640652
Vehicle Registration Number: FV620WA
#Post#: 9549--------------------------------------------------
Re: Enfield, 33c bus gate 33c, Bull Lane N18
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 8, 2023, 5:24 am
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This is a new bus gate, and to be honest, it's difficult to see
how you could miss it, based on what we have seen on the few
other cases that have come to notice. Did you not realise what
the signs meant ?
I agree it is a trap, as it's located about halfway down the
street. Problem is GSV latest is March 2022. If you want to
fight this, you'll need to do some legwork and take photos of
any advance warning signs, (if there are any, of course !).
It may be well worth submitting representations saying you were
taking your father to the hospital and were unaware if the new
restriction. Main point is to make sure the two PCNs are
considered together. You could request that at least the second
PCN be cancelled as as well as driving to the hospital you drove
your father back home, and say the two PCNs came as a
considerable shock. If you can get one PCN cancelled and pay
the other at the discount, you will have got the most favourable
result, in my opinion.
The really stupid thing about this bus gate is it is designed to
remove through traffic, yet you were visiting the hospital which
the restriction is designed to benefit traffic-wise. It's all
part of council barminess that we now see almost as a disease in
councils nowadays.
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Re: Enfield, 33c bus gate 33c, Bull Lane N18
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: November 8, 2023, 5:28 am
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+1
Please post your draft reps here for comments before sending.
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Re: Enfield, 33c bus gate 33c, Bull Lane N18
DIR By: jackdh
Date: November 8, 2023, 4:33 pm
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To John & Incandescent
Thanks so much for your help. It was my fault for missing the
signage - like the other poster, I haven’t encountered many bus
gates and I think I had other things on my mind that morning. No
excuse!
Anyway, I’ve drafted a response and will try and return to
collect some photos of the approach to the bus gate. In the
meantime, any suggestions on improving this greatly appreciated.
Jack
I am contesting PCNs EF96635685 & EF96640652 issued for a bus
gate violation on Bull Lane N18 at 09:45 and 12:16 respectively.
The journey was for an essential appointment for the treatment
of my father’s cancer at North Middlesex University Hospital,
which borders the bus lane. I have supplied proof of this
appointment.
Having taken this journey many times previously, I wasn’t aware
of the new bus gate. The lack of advance warning signs (supplied
photos) meant I was caught unaware as I passed through.
Furthermore, I didn’t have the opportunity to learn from my
mistake, receiving a second PCN for our return journey just 2.5
hours later.
I kindly request a review of both PCNs, with a request that at
the least you would consider cancelling PCN EF96640652 for our
return journey. Receiving these both came as a considerable
shock and at a very difficult time for the family.
Thank you for hearing my representation.
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Re: Enfield, 33c bus gate 33c, Bull Lane N18
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 8, 2023, 5:18 pm
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The white van driver probably just adds PCN penalties onto his
costs as a cost of doing business in London and prices his jobs
accordingly. What else can one do ! These things do absolutely
nothing for traffic management and are basically there to make
money.
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Re: Enfield, 33c bus gate 33c, Bull Lane N18
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 12, 2023, 6:29 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> The white van driver probably just adds PCN penalties onto his
costs as a cost of doing business in London and prices his jobs
accordingly. What else can one do !
>
--- End Quote ---
Well, a certain road resurfacing company that frequently appears
in the tribunal register used to do that, but not any more.
[member=897]jackdh[/member] I have a few ideas but I'll wait for
you to post the photos.
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Re: Enfield, 33c bus gate 33c, Bull Lane N18
DIR By: jackdh
Date: November 13, 2023, 5:50 pm
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Sorry for the delay - couple of photos attached. Let me know
what you think/how you’d amend my letter! Thanks!
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Re: Enfield, 33c bus gate 33c, Bull Lane N18
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 15, 2023, 1:10 pm
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Videos:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlGpJFXq4Zw
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIkbiZ1RQlA
I've got The Enfield (Prescribed Routes) (No. 4) Traffic Order
2023
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1JJxDMrORbnm0CW073kDLljuU0Bbto6pa<br
/>and it says the bus gate starts at a point 2.5 metres south of
the northern kerb-line of the entrance to the yard outside No.
22 Bull Lane, if you look at that yard
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Wbfue2hY1zLt184F6
that would place the
start of the bus gate in the middle of the entrance, but that's
not where the signs are, and the law says the signs must be as
close as practicable to where the traffic order creates the
restriction.
Would you be in a position to go back and get us some
measurements with a long tape measure?
You'd also need to measure a distance of 14.2 metres south of
the southern kerb-line of that entrance, as that is where the
signs facing the other way are supposed to be.
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Re: Enfield, 33c bus gate 33c, Bull Lane N18
DIR By: jackdh
Date: December 15, 2023, 11:33 am
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[member=1]cp8759[/member] [member=12]Incandescent[/member] Just
to close this off, sharing the response from Enfield Council.
They rejected our representations but as a gesture of goodwill
cancelled one of the PCNs which is what we hoped for really.
Thanks again for your help with this.
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