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#Post#: 98173--------------------------------------------------
Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
By: mundodisco8 Date: November 14, 2025, 8:48 am
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Hi,
I got caught on camera driving on the bus lane. The video shows
the car driving in the bus lane, there's not much to do here. I
was wondering if there any point in challenging the PCN based
"on the context" of the infraction. The bus lane runs for a
150m, and I just got on it in the las 20m or so, in anticipation
to get to the lane that allows continuing forward, which is the
same lane as the bus lane uses (the non-bus lane ends in a
forced right turn). The video shows how I just turned into the
bus lane at the end of it, and there's no intention of beating
the traffic and no bus was blocked.
As I said, I understand that "by the book", I was on the lane
and the automated system flagged it, but I don't know, maybe
there's some leniency for these cases?
This is the aerial view of the street, with an aproximate of the
path I took shown in red
[img width=944
height=344]
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/ppNEn7v_xl.png[/img]
As required, heres the letter I got Notice of Enforcement
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/Krc8M4h
A link to the street view where the camera is more or less
located Street View
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/VGy5w4HLKuhaQ5rW7
And here is the page where the evidence can be checked
HTML https://viewmypcn.co.uk/
(AO00384508 and GD19EVG)
Thanks for taking the time to read through this!
EDIT: I forgot to mention, I did not receive a notification for
this PCN, I got a letter from a debt collection agency, I will
need to do an out of time challenge for this one. The debt has
been paid, it's just a case to see if I can recover at least
some of the money.
#Post#: 98213--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
By: fraser.mitchell Date: November 14, 2025, 4:33 pm
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At the moment it is totally pointless looking at the
contravention details because you are far beyond the stage when
you could have submitted representations against the PCN. This
would have been sent by post, and the council obtain the name
and address linked to the registration number from the DVLA. The
vast majority of cases we see on here where the OP is only aware
of a contravention when bailiffs knock at his door, (or he gets
the letter of enforcement), is failure to keep the V5C
Registration Certificate up-to-date.
Please tell us if the above situation describes why you didn't
get the PCN and subsequent enforcement documents.
You tell us you have paid, so have avoided any further bailiff
charges; good, but the only way to get these back and return to
the original PCN stage is to submit an Out-of-Time Statutory
Declaration to the Traffic Enforcement Centre using forms PE2
and PE3. With it being OOT, the council are informed of your
submission and are allowed to object to it, which they
invariably do. Unless you have a totally solid reason for not
keeping your V5C up-to-date, your submission will therefore be
rejected.
#Post#: 98337--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
By: mundodisco8 Date: November 16, 2025, 4:08 am
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That's the case, we had an outdated address, but I thought it
had been sorted by the time of the infractions, but turns out
they are a couple of months before the update. In fairness, I
wrote the council in june to tell them about the issue and
asking if I had any outstanding PCNs and they didn't reply
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ok, this one is on me then. I will try my luck, nevertheless,
maybe the person attending my case was visited by three ghosts
recently and feels more generous than usual 😂, but I
know that I should expect my challenge to be rejected.
Thanks!
#Post#: 98351--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
By: fraser.mitchell Date: November 16, 2025, 5:47 am
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OK, just a couple of things to remember when filling out the PE2
and PE3
1. The "Applicant" (see top right of forms), is the council; you
are the "Respondent".
2. Don't sign and date it until you have the witness sitting
alongside you watching you do it. Small fee at solicitors, or
free at your local county court.
#Post#: 113854--------------------------------------------------
Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
By: mundodisco8 Date: March 20, 2026, 10:56 am
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Hi,
Months ago I wrote asking for help to fill an Out of Time
Challenge (My previous post
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/ealing-council-bus-lane-uxbridge-road-hanwell/msg98337/#msg98337).<br
/>I got a response from TEC and they agreed to roll back the PCN
to the notice period.
So today the Council notified me again (Enforcement Notice
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/TpeZbw2).
I have requested the evidence of
the contravention right now, and it might not be available yet,
but it should be ready in less than 24h. It can be checked here
HTML https://viewmypcn.co.uk/,
with PCN no. AO00384508 and reg
GD19EVG.
I attach as in the previous post, a link to the area in street
view
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5087248,-0.3388577,3a,75y,267.83h,87.57t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sXekKHlhsBg2w_K3Dvbnk_A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D2.42638087119731%26panoid%3DXekKHlhsBg2w_K3Dvbnk_A%26yaw%3D267.8341150066529!7i16384!8i8192?entry=tts&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTExMS4wIPu8ASoASAFQAw%3D%3D&skid=c5e41107-0fdd-4f61-96e2-bd1e22c568b6
I went over the bus lane. In the evidence you can see my car
getting into it. If bus lanes are contraventions of the type
"You did it, there's no recouse", then the discussion it's over,
but if there's a room for a challenge, the point I want to make
is that I just went over it in preparation to continue forwad in
the next intersection, which requires me to change to the lane
the bus lane is. Also, from the around 125m the bus lane has, I
stepped on it for the last maybe 10-15m. I think it would be
reasonable to see that it was not my intention to take advantage
of the bus lane to pass traffic and that I didn't block any
buses (as can be seen in the evidence). On top of that, although
it might sound as a poor excuse, the visibility of the road
paint is very low at night, specially if it's raining and it
looks like there was "moderate rain" at that time.
[img width=1000]
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/1LIotYp[/img]
This shows the path of my car on the context of the bus lane in
the street.
[img width=1000]
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/Xn8UQ0z[/img]
Independently of the potential of challenge for this PCN, I have
another question about the amount of money to pay. The letter
from the council says that I have to pay £130 today, and doesn't
mention anything about discounts for early payment, but
shouldn't I have been offered a 50% discount as my date of
notice is effectively yesterday? I logged into the Ealing's
Council portal and it says that the amount outstanding is £130.
I would appreciate your opinion on this particular case. Thanks
for this and all the work you do here!
Edit: that's funny! the images are not being displayed...
anyways, the one about the rain is this one
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/1LIotYp
and the one with my car's path
along the street is this one
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/Xn8UQ0z
#Post#: 113876--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
By: Hippocrates Date: March 20, 2026, 2:14 pm
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I have asked the moderator to merge this with your original.
Please show ALL the EN. Meanwhile their grounds page includes
one wrong ground: we are a hire firm.
Meanwhile, the video does not support the alleged contravention
as it does not show any upright signage allegedly passed.
Furthermore, the weather was also atrocious which was not
exactly assisted by the unclear markings on the road which, of
course, are much clearer as in a video. please cancel both
documents.
#Post#: 114133--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
By: mundodisco8 Date: March 23, 2026, 12:41 pm
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Thanks for your support.
Sorry for not continuing on the previous thread. I tried, but
the forum displayed a message saying that my thread was older
than 120 days (or something along those lines) and I thought
that it was discouraged to follow old threads. That's why I
opened another.
Here's the complete Enforcement Notice
HTML https://imgpile.com/p/hxDCn4U,
because pages 2-4 seemed like
boilerplate about paying I thought they were not relevant, but I
see your point and it's obviously better to have all the info so
you don't have to do any guesswork.
Regarding your post, I'm sorry but I find it a bit cryptic. I
understand that you have lots of people to help, so sorry if I'm
a bit thick with all this.
My understanding is that my response should be something along
these lines?
"I request you cancel the PCN because:
1. Incorrect grounds for appeal: The council’s "grounds for
appeal" page and documentation include the ground "We are a hire
firm." This is not a valid independent ground and constitutes a
procedural error that renders the PCN unenforceable.
2. Lack of Evidence: No Upright Signage Shown: the clip posted
as evicende doesn't show the driver passing any relevant upright
signage, failing to show that the bus lane was correctly marked.
3. Weather: the contravention ocurred at night during a rainy
night (add details of historic weather data for that night). The
lane markings are barely visible under such conditions from the
position of a driver. The camera has a different position as
it's elevated, plus it's using infrared because it's working at
night time, which is not affected as much by rain as visible
light. The video doesn't provide a picture comparable to the
conditions the driver was subjected to.
"
Would that be correct? No mention of the "hey, it was just the
last 10m, didn't take advantage of the situation, didn't block
any buses" bit?
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Re: Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
By: Hippocrates Date: March 24, 2026, 1:33 pm
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I would omit the grounds issue for now.
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