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#Post#: 98057--------------------------------------------------
Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: November 13, 2025, 3:49 pm
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Need an advice on how best to proceed.
Bailiff came around today demanding payment. This is the first
time the owner of the car was aware of outstanding PCN and the
court order. Only evidence they produced was the footage of the
car (bus lane) and screenshot of the PCN from the website
HTML https://walthamocm.itsvc.co.uk/
which is recorded as "warrrant
issued". When checking on Waltham Forest
HTML https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/parking-fines-and-removals/pay-parking-penalty-charge-notice-pcn<br
/>page there's no record of PCN.
Looks like this is what happended. The dealer filled in V5C but
few weeks later they called in to say that they've made mistake
on the address and reapplied the V5C. The V5C was received
almost 6 weeks after the purchase of the car. The contravention
probably occured before the amended V5C and the PCN related
documents plus court paperworks were likely sent to address that
the dealer filled in.
Will appreciate any advice before bailiff turns up tomorrow.
Thanks.
Timeline:
V5C:
Date of first Registration : 27/05/2025
Issue date: 17/07/2025
PCN:
council : Waltham Forest
Contravention Date: 14/06/2025
Location: Lea Bridge Road
Code: 47
#Post#: 98074--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 13, 2025, 6:04 pm
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Your only avenue now, (with bailiffs already instructed), is to
submit an Out-of-Time Witness Statement, or Statutory
Declaration to the Traffic Enforcement Centre. Which one to
submit depends on what Act of Parliament the original PCN was
served under.
So please post-up the documentation. Redact only name and
address.
The bailiff visit will add another £235 onto the amount owing,
so if you can pay before he turns up, you'll avoid this,
(hopefully !).
Paying the bailiff has no effect on whether your OOT submission
above is accepted or not.
#Post#: 98084--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: November 14, 2025, 2:01 am
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Problem is they don't have any paperworks which were never
received. Not even Notice of Enforcement was served to current
address. The bailiffs visit was a total surprise and at first
thought it was a scam as only thing they were showing was a
screenshot of PCN details on their phone. Reading through some
other posts in here, Notice of Enforcement should have been
posted to current address before visit?
Edit: Thanks will advice to pay up the fine if bailiff turns up
today. what kind of evidence or paperworks we can request to
have? eg name & company of bailiff, individual name, receipt of
payment, warrant etc.
Edit2: Car has been clamped.
#Post#: 98093--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: November 14, 2025, 3:14 am
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OK I think what's the problem here is.
The door number is 45B. There are others with door number A-D.
The Notice of Enforcement was issued to 45 (without suffix) and
never delivered to any address.
#Post#: 98125--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 14, 2025, 5:50 am
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OP, you keep posting in the third person e.g. the owner, they,
we etc.
Can we sort out who's who first pl. This is procedural at
present and who's who is vitally important.
#Post#: 98189--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: November 14, 2025, 10:22 am
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Hi
Sorry for confusion. I'm helping a friend. As I'm registered
here, it'll be easier to pass on the advice given here.
#Post#: 98234--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: November 15, 2025, 5:41 am
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Fee of £560 paid to release the clamp after advice from
bailiffadviceonline.FOI request to have details of PCN and
related documents sent to Waltham Forest. Request to have copy
of Notice of Enforcement and N125 Certificate of service also
sent to Martson. Contacted car dealer and requested in writing
explaining error made on V5C which they've said they'll look
into.
Only information currently known are PCN number, Martson
recovery fee and reference number and confirmation on live chat
that the Notice of Enforcement was sent on 30th Oct 2025 to
address 45 XXXXX Road (correct address : 45B XXXXX Road). Apart
from Martson receipt of payment, there are no other related
documents.
What happens to legal documents if there is no address to
deliver eg door no doesn't exist? Returns back to original
sender? Is there anyway to find the court address where this NoE
was issued?
It's an unfortunate situation but that the Baillifs pounced on
the fact that NoE was not served on correct address, no time to
response against such notice and took advantage of it.
#Post#: 98244--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 15, 2025, 6:44 am
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I would suggest you stick with bailiffadviceonline, because your
friend will need to submit an Out-of-Time Statutory Declaration,
and it is essential the facts are presented properly to avoid a
rejection.
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Re: Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: November 18, 2025, 6:35 am
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edit
#Post#: 98640--------------------------------------------------
Re: Need Urgent Help: Bailiff but no PCN or NOE received
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 18, 2025, 6:40 am
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How blatant was the dealer error ? I ask because the council can
object to an OOT submission, and will probably do so, and they
would be backed up by the duty on a new V5C holder of checking
the details are correct on receipt of it. Other thing is did you
not notice that you were not receiving VED renewal reminders ?
Don't let this put you off submitting your SD, but be aware what
might be said by the council.
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