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#Post#: 98042--------------------------------------------------
Liverpool, 30-Parked for longer than permitted, Love Lane
DIR By: ThriftyParker
Date: November 13, 2025, 1:27 pm
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Hi all,
For nearly 6.5 years, on a regular basis, I have parked on the
same side of Love Lane in Liverpool, where no yellow lines
exist, and I along with dozens of others have done so, walking
into work from there. Two weeks ago I returned to find a ticket
on my windscreen, and a local woman telling me I should
challenge it. It was originally thought that this was an error
relating to some changes in the area following the opening of
the new Everton football stadium at Bramley Moore Dock, and I
have been aware not to park in the area on match days as I'm
aware there has been a threat of more action taken in the
surrounding area on such days. However, I later realised that
this was suggesting I was parked for too long.
Supposedly they are saying there is now a 4-hour time
restriction with no return within one hour. Whilst there are
signed bays on the other side of the street, and "relatively"
new signage advising of paid parking, this is all on that side
of the street - markedly different and marked with bays.
I took some pictures at the time:
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Below is the area on Google Maps. You'll see the sheer number of
cars parking where this happened - in fact, I'm sure my car is
visible a bit further down the road...
Google Street View
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/f3dAkMCmmaZFSzFVA
This is the PCN:
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Unfortunately, perhaps underestimating how difficult it might be
to get this overturned, I did already make an informal
challenge, which came back rejected yesterday (12/11/25).
Perhaps this is simply going to be hard to take due to past lack
of enforcement, but as you can imagine it's come as a bit of a
surprise after all these years...
Thanks in advance for any help/advice.
#Post#: 98062--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool, 30-Parked for longer than permitted, Love Lane
DIR By: catnip
Date: November 13, 2025, 4:49 pm
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Please post the details of your challenge and their response.
I note that this sign is further down the road:
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#Post#: 98068--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool, 30-Parked for longer than permitted, Love Lane
DIR By: ThriftyParker
Date: November 13, 2025, 5:43 pm
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My Informal Challenge:
I believe this PCN has been issued in error. As you will see
from your own images, there are no road markings or bays where I
was parked, and no yellow lines restricting parking on that side
of the road. No signs are in place on that side of the road
either, and is in sharp contrast to the other side of the road
the road where clear bays are marked. I and many others have
parked down this side of the road for many years - myself for
over 6 years whilst working in the city - and have never had
parking restrictions enforced.
If parking restrictions are to be enforced on both sides of the
road there needs to be clear signage and road markings
indicating this.
Their Response:
I refer to your informal challenge (stage 1) made in connection
with the issue
of the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) No. LV18607642.
The City Council has considered all information available at
this stage,
however, your challenge has been rejected. You now have two
options: -
1. Pay the PCN within 14 days of the date of this letter at the
discounted
rate. After 14 days the PCN can still be paid but it will be at
the full
original amount. See Section 1 below.
2. Do not pay and a Notice to Owner (NtO) will be served to the
registered owner/keeper of the vehicle after a minimum of 28
days
which will allow a formal representation (stage 2) to be
submitted. See
Section 2 below.
Reason(s) for rejection:
A PCN was issued to the above vehicle because it was 30-Parked
for longer
than permitted in LOVE LANE - L3 on the 27/10/2025. The vehicle
was
observed between 11:44 and 16:15 and the Notice was issued at
16:15.
We acknowledge your representations in respect of this PCN.
Our CEO (Civil Enforcement Officer) carried out all relevant
checks on your
vehicle and found no evidence of a valid permit etc on display.
The issuing
officer further inspected the vehicle and there was nothing else
displayed that
entitled your vehicle to be parked at the stated time/ location.
At the time of contravention the bays in situ allow parking for
up to 4 hours
with no return within one hour. According to the Officers notes,
your vehicle
was first observed parked at the location at 11:44, and on
returning later on in
the afternoon after which over 4 hours had elapsed, found your
vehicle still
parked in the same location Since the vehicle was still parked
past the
allowed period parking time, the vehicle has incurred the above
PCN.
I note your comments regarding signage at the location.
In some areas where it has been deemed appropriate to put a
permit parking
scheme in place, there may not be enough space on the highway to
mark out
resident bays. These areas will be classed as ‘Permitted Parking
Areas’
(PPA) and instead of bay markings the entrance(s) to the PPA
will have a
time plate on both sides of the street stating ‘Permit Holders
Only Past This
Point’, there will also be a boundary markings at each entrance.
Residents/ permit holders may park anywhere past this boundary
and within
the PPA (provided they do not obstruct pavement or other
properties)
provided that a valid permit is clearly displayed. There will be
repeater signs
within the PPA reminding motorists they are within a permit
area, and any
visitors must also display a valid ‘visitor permit’ (which can
be sought from the
resident they are visiting). As with all time plates, if there
are no days/hours on
the plates, the PPA applies “at any time”.
I would respectfully remind you that it is the responsibility of
the driver to
observe and adhere to all relevant restrictions prior to leaving
the vehicle
parked.
Based on the evidence available to me at this time and the
details of your
incoming representations I would advise that the circumstances
of this case
do not warrant exercise of discretion favourably, consequently
the penalty
charge remains payable.
#Post#: 98076--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool, 30-Parked for longer than permitted, Love Lane
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 13, 2025, 6:20 pm
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Your problem is the sign found by 'catnip'. It means that no
signs or lines are needed beyond that sign. However, I would
expect repeater signs due to the size of the zone.
I would criticise it being only a single sign, but GSV showing
that sign is July 2024 well over a year ago. When was the last
time you parked on that street ?
Their letter is also contains a mis-statement of the signs. The
sign on GSV allows public parking for 2 hours, without a permit
within the controlled hours. Whether this is enough to win at
the adjudicators, I'm not sure.
#Post#: 98185--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool, 30-Parked for longer than permitted, Love Lane
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: November 14, 2025, 10:06 am
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Just had a look round you can access where you parked from this
road, and the sign here will not cut the mustard as an entrance
sign
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/DPWNqKA76jkkj8iy5
#Post#: 98387--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool, 30-Parked for longer than permitted, Love Lane
DIR By: ThriftyParker
Date: November 16, 2025, 11:01 am
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I should be down around the area in the next few days but
haven’t been back since the day of the incident.
I take note that the signing on GSV might not be deemed
sufficient (is this just the size and prominence?), but will
take pictures of the current signage from the adjoining roads
and share here.
Thanks for everyone’s input thus far.
#Post#: 98395--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool, 30-Parked for longer than permitted, Love Lane
DIR By: catnip
Date: November 16, 2025, 12:25 pm
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Looking at GSV there are several entrance roads with no signs at
all, but it may be out of date. It's worth driving down each one
and noting what signage is present when you visit.
#Post#: 98414--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool, 30-Parked for longer than permitted, Love Lane
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 17, 2025, 2:36 am
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OP, this is nonsense. None of the authority's photos includes a
traffic sign so prove nothing other than your vehicle was
stationary in the road.
The signs that have been posted have no relevance to the
authority's response which refers to a 4-hour limit.
There is no such thing as a 'Permitted Parking Area'.
Perhaps your visit and photos will help?
#Post#: 99435--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool, 30-Parked for longer than permitted, Love Lane
DIR By: ThriftyParker
Date: November 23, 2025, 12:40 pm
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Okay, I finally made it back to the area in question. I ended up
taking video of me walking up each side street and the areas
between on Love Lane.
I recommend watching this sped up to some degree as it’s 30
minutes total. There’s definitely a few inconsistencies as far
as entrances and exits to the area. They seem to get better
signage as they get towards the end, but even the entrance sign
at the end of the run is placed in what I would suggest is an
awkward and somewhat obscured position. There’s also a couple of
side streets without “end of area” signage.
Anyway, here’s the video. Unfortunately it’s filmed in the dark.
Please let me know if you’d like anything clearer as I’ll be in
the area on Monday.
HTML https://youtu.be/hchOEel5zfg?si=bq9zY0cFvpIsrJKG
#Post#: 99436--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool, 30-Parked for longer than permitted, Love Lane
DIR By: catnip
Date: November 23, 2025, 1:03 pm
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If you found a route to where you parked without suitable
signage then that is a sure-fire winner.
However, the points that HCA has noted would surely enable you
to win this appeal without needing any further evidence.
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