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Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
DIR By: HateTFL
Date: November 7, 2025, 7:40 am
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Hi all,
I’ve received a PCN from Islington Council for failing to comply
with a “No Right Turn” sign at the junction of Hornsey Road and
Fairbridge Road (N19).
I’ve reviewed the location on Street View and in the council’s
evidence stills, and it seems both “No Right Turn” signs
(diagram 612) are positioned on the left-hand side only — one
slightly before the junction and another a few metres ahead,
both mounted on lampposts on the same side.
There is no corresponding sign on the right-hand side of the
carriageway or on the central island.
From a driver’s position in the centre/right lane, visibility of
those signs can be poor — especially if there’s a bus or large
vehicle in the nearside lane.
Evidence
Council’s own stills show both signs on the left only.
Google Street View:
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PCN video shows my car turning right into Fairbridge Road.
Grounds I’m considering
The signage does not comply with the Traffic Signs Manual
(Chapter 3, para 4.18), which says that where a “No Right Turn”
sign is provided on the left, a duplicate should normally be
provided on the right-hand side or central refuge if the
restriction might not be clearly visible from all lanes.
Therefore, the signage was not adequate to give proper notice to
a reasonably observant motorist as required by the TSRGD 2016.
🧩 Questions
Has this junction (Hornsey Rd → Fairbridge Rd) been
discussed before or taken to the tribunal?
Has anyone won an appeal at this location due to signage being
on one side only?
Would it strengthen my case to cite examples where adjudicators
accepted similar arguments (e.g. single-sided “no turn”
signage)?
Any help or references to past cases much appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
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Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 7, 2025, 9:52 am
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The signage looks fine and won't win you an appeal.
Post the first page of the PCN for a check.
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Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
DIR By: HateTFL
Date: November 7, 2025, 9:54 am
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The problem is the no right turn is on the left lamp post so its
missed when you are looking out for ppeople and other cars
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Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
DIR By: HateTFL
Date: November 7, 2025, 9:56 am
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Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 7, 2025, 1:36 pm
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The test for signage is, apart from use of approved signs, one
of adequacy. So if you want to fight this PCN, you have to
convince the adjudicator the signage is inadequate. There is no
definition of "adequacy" for road signs; one person's 'adequate,
is another's 'inadequate'. Stamfordman says it looks OK and I am
inclined to agree. Of course if the video shows a large
high-sided vehicle in front of you, you may have a valid
argument, so I suggest you look at the video.
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Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
DIR By: HateTFL
Date: November 7, 2025, 1:40 pm
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Is it legal for the no right turn to be signposted on the left
hand side considering in the UK we drive on the right hand side
- This is a pure trap
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Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 7, 2025, 1:48 pm
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--- Quote from: HateTFL link ---
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> Is it legal for the no right turn to be signposted on the left
hand side considering in the UK we drive on the right hand side
- This is a pure trap
>
--- End Quote ---
Er, we drive on the left side of the road !
I see NRT signs all over the place on the left side of the road,
so you'll have a real problem convincing an adjudicator.
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Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: November 10, 2025, 10:16 am
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See my first link in my profile: PCN is invalid.
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Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
DIR By: conormac100
Date: December 25, 2025, 7:54 am
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Happy Christmas everyone.
I recently got the same letter regarding the right-turn
violation off Hornsey road into Fairbridge Road.
I got frustrated at an incredibly slow vehicle in front and took
an early right turn (oops).
Did anyone have any joy in appealing this?
I see Hippocrates mentioned the wording problem ("if you fail to
pay the Penalty Charge or if you fail to make representations")
Is this worth pursuing, as I'm aware if I lose the damage will
be even more (£160!!).
Thanks,
Conor
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Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: December 25, 2025, 8:47 am
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--- Quote from: conormac100 link ---
>
> Happy Christmas everyone.
>
> I recently got the same letter regarding the right-turn
violation off Hornsey road into Fairbridge Road.
> .
> Thanks, Conor
>
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Welcome, Conor, to FTLA.
For meaningful advice in your own case please to have a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and start your own thread with a brief account of the
circumstances, posting up there
(use
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for posting images.
Wherever possible, use the BBCode.)
all sides of the PCN (only redact yr name & address - leave
everything else in),
any council photos/video,
and
a GSV link to the location.
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