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#Post#: 97075--------------------------------------------------
Being in a Bus Lane, Milsom Street, Bath
DIR By: ahsan
Date: November 6, 2025, 8:40 am
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Hi all,
I went to see Roman Baths(Live in London was visiting with
family during term break) and got this ticket today in the post,
I wanted to park closer to Roman Bath, googled and found New
Bond Street at the end of Milsom Street had dedicated Disabled
parking bays(We have a valid Blue Badge), Navigation took me to
New Bond Street via Milsom street I didn't realized I'm entering
a bus lane. Is there anything which can be done to avoid this
ticket?
Bath ticketing portal to view ticket:
HTML https://parking.bathnes.gov.uk/Pages/OnlineReferenceEntry.aspx?loadtype=FORMAL
Reg No: LK11KNP
PCN No: BN83457756
Web code: 113PY226
GSV Misom Street:
HTML https://tinyurl.com/4ukcy66w
GSV New Bond Street:
HTML https://tinyurl.com/mum2t4jt
Thanks in advance for your help.
#Post#: 97086--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Milsom Street, Bath
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 6, 2025, 9:53 am
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You made a right turn into Milsom Street from George Street.
Unfortunately for you, there is an advance warning sign as you
turn into George Street : -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Cs4BMpVeoe6aMdA17
When you passed the two signs did you not realise what they
meant ? The restriction applies 10am to 6pm.
Can you please follow the rule for the forum and post up the
full PCN, please, only redacting name and address, so we can
check it for fatal errors.
#Post#: 97103--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Milsom Street, Bath
DIR By: LT
Date: November 6, 2025, 11:16 am
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I won my appeal against this bus lane back in 2023.
Unfortunately, I'm experiencing some computer difficulties at
the moment, so can't post my appeal, but here's the Adjudicators
notes on the case:
1. This case was determined on 17 October 2003 without a
hearing.
2. Mr XXX appeals on the basis that the signage for this
bus gate (simply a short length of bus-only street) was not
sufficient to give him proper warning of the restriction in time
to take avoiding action.
3. He argues that the two advance warning signs are
positioned in such a way that the driver has limited time to see
and understand them. The signs at the actual entry point are set
back a short distance inside the turning, which makes them
difficult to see them until the turn is actually commenced.
4. Mr XXX has provided various photographs of the area,
which I have seen and considered.
5. The Council has provided the footage of the incident,
which shows that the bus gate was entered by the vehicle turning
right into the restriction.
6. Mr XXX points out that it is just possible to see a
vehicle in the loading bay which is situated immediately before
the turn. Mr XXX has provided a photograph at Evidence #4
showing that vehicles in the loading bay can restrict the view
of a driver approaching the bus gate from that direction.
7. I have had regard to recent decisions of other
adjudicators regarding the signage for this bus gate, but all of
the relevant decisions involve a vehicle turning left from
George Street, not turning right as Mr XXX did.
8. The test I need to apply is whether the situation,
looked at as a whole, gives adequate warning to a driver in time
to take avoiding action.
9. Firstly there is an advance sign in Gay Street warning
that there is a bus-only restriction in Milsom Street. However
that sign is obviously only useful if the driver knows the
location of Milsom Street, and therefore appears to be directed
at locals.
10. Secondly there is an advance warning sign just after the
turn into George Street, which is a more useful map-based sign,
showing that there is a bus-only restriction at the next turn
right. However, after comparing the various photographs provided
by Mr XXX and the Council, I do find that this sign is located
only 4-5 yards after the right hand turn round into George
Street from Gay Street, which gives drivers very little time to
see and consider its contents.
11. The next sign that a driver might see is the entry point
sign on the right-hand pavement at the bus gate junction itself.
Both entry point signs have been sensibly angled so that at
least one sign will be visible to a driver, whether approaching
from the east or west. However, the signs are set back perhaps
3-4 yards inside the junction, which must restrict their
visibility to an extent. As Mr XXX points out, there is also a
loading bay immediately prior to the junction which will, if
occupied, further restrict the early visibility of the signs for
a driver turning right. I accept that the video footage shows a
vehicle in the loading bay at the time that Mr Roberts
approached.
12. Looking at the situation as a whole, I find that the first
warning sign will only be significant for someone with local
knowledge of the area, the second advance warning sign may well
be missed by a driver negotiating the right hand turn, and, if
so, a driver may only see the signs as the turn right into the
restriction is commenced, with the possibility of vehicles in
the loading bay further restricting vision. At that point it
might well be too late to safely avoid the restriction. I
therefore find the signage inadequate when approaching this
restriction from the direction requiring a right-hand turn.
13. I therefore find the contravention did not occur, and I
allow this appeal. I direct the Council to cancel the penalty
charge notice.
Hope this helps. :)
#Post#: 97104--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Milsom Street, Bath
DIR By: LT
Date: November 6, 2025, 11:22 am
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I have just watched the video and note that BANES have changed
the camera angles, so that the loading bay on George St. (to the
right of the entrance to Milsom St.) is no longer shown. Sneaky,
as if this bay is occupied, especially by a van or lorry, the
chances of seeing the signs on your approach are nil until
you've committed to turn.
#Post#: 97120--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Milsom Street, Bath
DIR By: ahsan
Date: November 6, 2025, 12:49 pm
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[member=12]Incandescent[/member] I have put all the pages of
ticket now in this drive folder:
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NE2UNf8BehtruRSUizWqqSIuexUbkNW-
There wasn’t much on following pages apart from how to appeal
and appeal letter that’s why didn’t added.
#Post#: 97158--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Milsom Street, Bath
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 6, 2025, 5:24 pm
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Looking at the adjudication that has been posted, it is clear
that the signage has remained unchanged, so there is a good case
for taking them to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal citing this case
of 2023. The key point made by the adjudicator is that although
there is a warning sign as one turns into George Street, it is
positioned very aukwardly bearing in mind the driver will be
concentrating on making the turn and avoiding hazards like
jaywalkers etc. The sign needs to be closer to the actual barred
turn.
So if you are prepared to stand your ground and forego the
discount, take them to the TPT. Of course it means if you lost
it's an extra £35 to what you are already in for. TPT
adjudications are now phone or video nowadays so no need to
attend an adjudication centre.
#Post#: 97175--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Milsom Street, Bath
DIR By: ahsan
Date: November 7, 2025, 2:18 am
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Hi @LR do you remember the name of case I want to refer it in my
appeal?
#Post#: 97176--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Milsom Street, Bath
DIR By: LT
Date: November 7, 2025, 2:42 am
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Refer to it by the date it was heard and the location.
#Post#: 97481--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Milsom Street, Bath
DIR By: ahsan
Date: November 9, 2025, 11:59 am
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I have appealed today, I’ll keep you informed how it went.
Thanks.
#Post#: 97592--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a Bus Lane, Milsom Street, Bath
DIR By: LT
Date: November 10, 2025, 10:50 am
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Best of luck.
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