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#Post#: 9527--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: November 7, 2023, 5:54 pm
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I would cite DD's reference to the law and take out "offence".
It is not an offence. It is an alleged contravention. Sorry, too
late for me to add further detail.
#Post#: 9857--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: Boxxer
Date: November 11, 2023, 10:41 am
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Hi all,
Here is my updated draft. Let me know your thought.
Dear Sir/Madam,
I would like to appeal my penalty charge, and I will explain the
events in the order they occurred before this alleged
contravention so you can understand how and why it happened.
I was driving from Green Lanes toward High Road when, at the
junction outside Turnpike Lane station, a police car with sirens
on approached from the opposite direction. A vehicle behind me
crashed into the right rear of my car before turning right into
Westbury Avenue. I stopped by the edge of the yellow junction
box to quickly visually check the damage, but the car had
already driven off.
Although I was still shocked, I tried to recall what had
happened and remember the vehicle's number plate as I continued
the journey on High Road. Subsequently a bus behind me
repeatedly flashed its front lights, which I believed was the
bus driver trying to get my attention.
To eliminate any risk in continuing to drive following:
TSRGD schedule 7, part 6, para 4(2)(b)
"a vehicle which is prevented from proceeding by circumstances
beyond the driver’s control or which has to be stopped in order
to avoid injury or damage to persons or property;"
This led me to decided to pulled into the bus stop, where it
made sense to assume the bus would stop and to let ongoing
traffic pass before checking with the driver. After inspecting
the rear of my vehicle, I waited for the bus. When it pulled
alongside, the driver explained that he had witnessed the
collision and had captured everything on the bus's CCTV. He
advised me to contact TFL for a copy of the footage. After our
conversation, I continued driving."
I hope that, after explaining the sequence of events that
occurred, you can understand the intention behind this alleged
contravention.
#Post#: 9871--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: roythebus
Date: November 11, 2023, 3:50 pm
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"I would like to appeal my penalty charge", I suggest you need
to be a bit firmer but a polite "I am appealing against the
penalty charge".
#Post#: 9886--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: November 12, 2023, 5:07 am
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--- Quote from: Boxxer link ---
>
> Hi all,
>
> Here is my updated draft. Let me know your thought.
>
> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
> I would like to appeal my penalty charge, and I will explain
the events in the order they occurred before this alleged
contravention so you can understand how and why it happened.
>
> I was driving from Green Lanes toward High Road when, at the
junction outside Turnpike Lane station, a police car with sirens
on approached from the opposite direction. A vehicle behind me
crashed into the right rear of my car before turning right into
Westbury Avenue. I stopped by the edge of the yellow junction
box to quickly visually check the damage, but the car had
already driven off.
>
> Although I was still shocked, I tried to recall what had
happened and remember the vehicle's number plate as I continued
the journey on High Road. Subsequently a bus behind me
repeatedly flashed its front lights, which I believed was the
bus driver trying to get my attention.
>
> To eliminate any risk in continuing to drive following:
>
>
>
>
> This led me to II decided to pulled into the bus stop, where
it made sense to assume the bus would stop and to let ongoing
traffic pass before checking with the driver. After inspecting
the rear of my vehicle, I waited for the bus. When it pulled
alongside, the driver explained that he had witnessed the
collision and had captured everything on the bus's CCTV. He
advised me to contact TFL for a copy of the footage. After our
conversation, I continued driving."
>
> I hope that, after explaining the sequence of events that
occurred, you can understand the intention behind this alleged
contravention.
>
--- End Quote ---
TSRGD schedule 7, part 6, para 4(2)(b)
"a vehicle which is prevented from proceeding by circumstances
beyond the driver’s control or which has to be stopped in order
to avoid injury or damage to persons or property;"
I claim the exemption afforded my the above quoted regulation
and as such the PCN should now be cancelled
Remove what i highlight red and replace what is in blue moving
the cited regulation because no one will accept it was because
you stopped as you did because of the reg
#Post#: 10346--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: Boxxer
Date: November 15, 2023, 4:55 pm
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Is this correct? Sorry for my english and thank you so much for
all your input.
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am appealing against the penalty charge, and I will explain
the events in the order they occurred before this alleged
contravention so you can understand how and why it happened.
I was driving from Green Lanes toward High Road when, at the
junction outside Turnpike Lane station, a police car with sirens
on approached from the opposite direction. A vehicle behind me
crashed into the right rear of my car before turning right into
Westbury Avenue. A bus behind me repeatedly flashed its front
lights, which I believed was the bus driver trying to get my
attention.
To eliminate any risk in continuing to drive following:
TSRGD schedule 7, part 6, para 4(2)(b)
"a vehicle which is prevented from proceeding by circumstances
beyond the driver’s control or which has to be stopped in order
to avoid injury or damage to persons or property;"
I decided to stop where it made sense to assume the bus would
stop and to let ongoing traffic pass before checking with the
driver. After inspecting the rear of my vehicle, I waited for
the bus. When it pulled alongside, the driver explained that he
had witnessed the collision and had captured everything on the
bus's CCTV. He advised me to contact TFL for a copy of the
footage. After our conversation, I continued driving."
I hope that, after explaining the sequence of events that
occurred, you can understand the intention behind this alleged
contravention.
I claim the exemption afforded my the above quoted regulation
and as such the PCN should now be cancelled
Your faithfully
#Post#: 10372--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: November 16, 2023, 4:49 am
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--- Quote from: Boxxer link ---
>
> Is this correct? Sorry for my english and thank you so much
for all your input.
>
> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
> I am appealing against the penalty charge, and I will explain
the events in the order they occurred before this alleged
contravention so you can understand how and why it happened.
>
> I was driving from Green Lanes toward High Road when, at the
junction outside Turnpike Lane station, a police car with sirens
on approached from the opposite direction. A vehicle behind me
crashed into the right rear of my car before turning right into
Westbury Avenue. A bus behind me repeatedly flashed its front
lights, which I believed was the bus driver trying to get my
attention.
>
> To eliminate any risk in continuing to drive following:
>
> TSRGD schedule 7, part 6, para 4(2)(b)
> "a vehicle which is prevented from proceeding by circumstances
beyond the driver’s control or which has to be stopped in order
to avoid injury or damage to persons or property;"
>
> I decided to stop where it made sense to assume the bus would
stop and to let ongoing traffic pass before checking with the
driver. After inspecting the rear of my vehicle, I waited for
the bus. When it pulled alongside, the driver explained that he
had witnessed the collision and had captured everything on the
bus's CCTV. He advised me to contact TFL for a copy of the
footage. After our conversation, I continued driving."
>
> I hope that, after explaining the sequence of events that
occurred, you can understand the intention behind this alleged
contravention.
>
> I claim the exemption afforded my the above quoted regulation
and as such the PCN should now be cancelled
>
> Your faithfully
>
--- End Quote ---
I am appealing against the penalty charge, and I will explain
the events in the order they occurred before this alleged
contravention so you can understand how and why it happened.
I was driving from Green Lanes toward High Road when, at the
junction outside Turnpike Lane station, a police car with sirens
on approached from the opposite direction. A vehicle behind me
crashed into the right rear of my car before turning right into
Westbury Avenue. A bus behind me repeatedly flashed its front
lights, which I believed was the bus driver trying to get my
attention.
To eliminate any risk in continuing to drive following:
I decided to stop where safe expexting the bus would stop.I let
ongoing traffic pass before checking with the driver. When the
bus pulled alongside, the driver explained that he had witnessed
the collision and had captured everything on the bus's CCTV. He
advised me to contact TFL for a copy of the footage. After our
conversation, I continued driving."
I hope that, after explaining the sequence of events that
occurred, you can understand the intention behind this alleged
contravention.
In line with
TSRGD schedule 7, part 6, para 4(2)(b)
"a vehicle which is prevented from proceeding by circumstances
beyond the driver’s control or which has to be stopped in order
to avoid injury or damage to persons or property;"
I claim the exemption afforded my the above quoted regulation
and as such the PCN should now be cancelled
Your faithfully[/i]
[/quote]
see my amendment. Use that it makes more sense and eliminates
opportunity for TfL to say" you can't do that"
#Post#: 10424--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: Boxxer
Date: November 17, 2023, 5:48 am
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Thank you so much Pastmybest!🙏 Greatly appreciated for
your help and it makes lot of sense.
Will send through this appeal letter this weekend if no one else
has anything to add.
Can’t thank you everyone here enough for all your help.
❤️ Will let you guys know one I have any update.
#Post#: 10604--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 19, 2023, 8:32 am
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--- Quote from: Boxxer link ---
>
> Will send through this appeal letter this weekend if no one
else has anything to add.
>
--- End Quote ---
Do not send a letter in the post, representations should always
be made online unless there's some really good reason not to.
Keep a screenshot of the confirmation screen. If the website has
a character limit that is too low, put the representation in a
PDF and upload it as an attachment and in the representation box
just write "see attached representations".
#Post#: 10653--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: Boxxer
Date: November 19, 2023, 4:13 pm
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Representation uploaded on council website as well as taken a
screenshot of the confirmation screen. Many thanks everyone.
🤞🏻
#Post#: 12732--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: Boxxer
Date: December 20, 2023, 2:44 pm
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Notice of rejection received today. They have rejected the
representation as expected.
What do you guys think? Many thanks in advance.
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