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#Post#: 9353--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 6, 2023, 5:59 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> Just remember: the more salient representations you make, the
more they have to consider. This is a statutory duty.
Personally, I would include as much as relevant. It is
generally agreed on both forums (fora?) that many council
officers are not that fully-conversant with the law(s)!
>
--- End Quote ---
I sometimes think it is "all", not "many" !
#Post#: 9354--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: November 6, 2023, 6:02 am
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--- Quote from: Boxxer link ---
>
> Thank you everyone for the input. All very valid, especially
HCA for pointing out the very important reason why I pulled into
the bus stop which was because of the constant flashing of the
front light by the bus driver behind.
>
> I will post up a draft soon that follow HCA's suggestion while
waiting for the CCTV footage.
>
--- End Quote ---
Just be aware.
Pulling into the bus stop for reasons beyond your control relate
to the collision.
There is a risk in continuing driving without checking and TBH,
for some people that panic, there is a risk in continuing to
drive.
A bus driver flashing his lights builds the story but alone is a
stretch to mean you had to stop in the bus stop.
The first leads directly to a statutory exemption, the second
may not.
Flashing can mean anything from you've peed the driver off to
something may be wrong with the car and you really ought to pull
over to check
#Post#: 9357--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: November 6, 2023, 6:38 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> [quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=858.msg9349#msg9349
date=1699270003]
> Just remember: the more salient representations you make, the
more they have to consider. This is a statutory duty.
Personally, I would include as much as relevant. It is
generally agreed on both forums (fora?) that many council
officers are not that fully-conversant with the law(s)!
>
--- End Quote ---
I sometimes think it is "all", not "many" !
[/quote]
How does one apply to be a Hero Member? 8)
#Post#: 9360--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: Boxxer
Date: November 6, 2023, 6:52 am
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Received a reply from Arriva this morning saying they will
forward the request to their UK Bus Division
--- Quote ---
> As this request involved one of our buses I have forward your
request on to the team within our UK Bus Division for their
review and processing, at Arriva Group we do not generally
process customer data and as such do not have access to the
systems required, therefore your request will be handled by
colleagues within our UK Bus division. They will soon reach out
to acknowledge your request.
--- End Quote ---
And here is my first draft
Dear Sir/Madam,
I would like to appeal my penalty charge, and I will explain the
events in the order they occurred before this offence so you can
understand how and why it happened.
I was driving from Green Lanes toward High Road when, at the
junction outside Turnpike Lane station, a police car with sirens
on approached from the opposite direction. A vehicle behind me
crashed into the right rear of my car and then turned right into
Westbury Avenue before driving off.
As the traffic was very busy, I was trying to recall what had
happened and remember the vehicle's number plate. Subsequently a
bus behind me repeatedly flashed its front lights, which I
believed was the bus driver trying to get my attention.
I pulled into the bus stop, where it made sense to assume the
bus would stop and to let ongoing traffic pass before checking
with the driver. After inspecting the rear of my vehicle, I
waited for the bus. When it pulled alongside, the driver
explained that he had witnessed the collision and had captured
everything on the bus's CCTV. He advised me to contact TFL for a
copy of the footage. After our conversation, I continued
driving."
I hope that, after explaining the sequence of events that
occurred, you can understand the intention behind this offence.
What do you guys think?
#Post#: 9365--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: November 6, 2023, 7:19 am
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Stress the impact, that you were trying to get your wits,
concerned with damage and to top it all, a bus driver was
flashing you so you felt forced to pull over as soon as
possible, which happened to be the bus stop
#Post#: 9372--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: Boxxer
Date: November 6, 2023, 8:17 am
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Got another reply from Arriva. Unfortunately the CCTV footage is
no longer available
--- Quote ---
> I am in receipt of the below regarding right of access to your
personal data under Article 15 of the General Data Protection
Regulation (GDPR), we can confirm that we do not hold the
information you have requested. Our system stores data for a
period of 240hrs only and we would not now be able to retrieve
footage for your incident on 17th October 2023.
>
> If you are dissatisfied with any aspect of this response, you
can lodge a complaint with your national supervisory Data
Protection Authority. In the UK the Data Protection Authority is
the Information Commissioner’s Office, contactable via the
following details:
> WEB:
HTML https://ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/
> E-Mail: casework@ico.org.uk
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: DancingDad link ---
>
> Stress the impact, that you were trying to get your wits,
concerned with damage and to top it all, a bus driver was
flashing you so you felt forced to pull over as soon as
possible, which happened to be the bus stop
>
--- End Quote ---
ok I will also add these in
#Post#: 9373--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: November 6, 2023, 8:23 am
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Have you explored the possibility of a statement from the 'bus
driver?
#Post#: 9384--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 6, 2023, 11:10 am
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=858.msg9353#msg9353
date=1699271949]
> [quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=858.msg9349#msg9349
date=1699270003]
> Just remember: the more salient representations you make, the
more they have to consider. This is a statutory duty.
Personally, I would include as much as relevant. It is
generally agreed on both forums (fora?) that many council
officers are not that fully-conversant with the law(s)!
>
--- End Quote ---
I sometimes think it is "all", not "many" !
[/quote]
How does one apply to be a Hero Member? 8)
[/quote]
I don't know, I never applied for it !
#Post#: 9390--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: November 6, 2023, 11:28 am
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I've had a look at the road layout and tried to visualise what
happened, The only issue that will need explaining is why once
you clear the junction did you not stop before the bus stop and
when did you notice the bus driver flashing you
Let me have these two bits of info and i will draft you an
appeal
#Post#: 9410--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - Haringey Council - 47(J): Stopped on a restricted bus
stop or stand
DIR By: Boxxer
Date: November 6, 2023, 1:38 pm
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> Have you explored the possibility of a statement from the 'bus
driver?
>
--- End Quote ---
No I haven't. Could you please elaborate a bit more?
--- Quote from: Pastmybest link ---
>
> I've had a look at the road layout and tried to visualise what
happened, The only issue that will need explaining is why once
you clear the junction did you not stop before the bus stop and
when did you notice the bus driver flashing you
>
> Let me have these two bits of info and i will draft you an
appeal
>
--- End Quote ---
I stopped right there at the edge of the yellow box when the car
crash into mine but only for a very quick look. And since the
car had drove off and I was blocking all the traffic I got back
onto the car. Then while I was trying to recall what had
happened and remember the vehicle's number plate, I continued
to drive for about 30 seconds and that was when I first notice
the bus driver flashing, and then he continued flashing the
light to the point that I decided I will to need to stop at a
safe place.
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